Sent A Complain To Bbc And Rspca Regarding Animal 24:7

[Curiosity101]

Hmmm Complaining about a film that is 20 years old and wont ever change or need to change... or complaining about a recent program where the incorrect understanding and beliefs are being widely used to judge animal (fish) welfare...

Yeah you're right with your sarcasm...they clearly can be compared

 

[raptorrex]

I watched Rocky last night, he has a goldfish in a one gallon bowl! I'm going to write to Sylvester Stallone.

lol, class! .
lets all complain about treatment of fish. whilst sitting in clothes made by child labour. in furniture made by, effective, slaves. and our hospitals use equipment, made in the same way, because its cheap. or, stopping cat and dog owners (in the US) from pulling teeth and claws out of their pets, just in case they bits/scratch. perspective people.

remembering in the UK, fish do not enjoy the same protection as, cats and dogs (well mammals), via the RSPCA and in law. though i find it galling, nobody has ever found out if fish actually suffer. (in the same way a mammal would).

now if we really want to help our fish. Ban all wild caught fish. or, at least, those on the red list.

personally, i favour licenses. for all critters kept. cats, dogs, rabbits, fish, reptiles and birds. making the owner responsible for their stock.

dont get me wrong guys (and gals). i admire your fervour. just find it misplaced, is all. to me, anyway.

 

[Curiosity101]

One person can't change the world. (Which is what you seem to be implying...as in, if you're going to complain about X then you also need to complain about Y and Z).
Thing is though...people ARE aware of child labour and slave labour. And there are many charities and organisations that are out there to try and stop it.

All we're talking about is correctly educating people. Broadcasting across the nation that 7months is a very good length of time for a goldfish (aswell as the numerous other errors)...isn't good.

Yes there are greater travesties in the world, but in the same way two wrongs don't make a right. 1 bad thing, and a worse bad thing are both still bad.

We can't ban all wild caught red listed fish...people just don't care enough. That doesn't mean that we don't care...we just know there is no way we can make that difference.
If you can at least get someone to read (several times) that the information they're giving out is incorrect this might make a difference. Then as education spreads hopefully people will be marginally more aware that fish can and do suffer.
Only when something like that happens will threads like this be about more 'important' issues, such as trying to ban taking endangered fish from the wild.

And eitherways, on a fish forum it's never going to be a thread about slave or child labour.

 

[K-Holed]

It is shocking to see an RSPCA officer (presented as an animal expert) and a TV presenter who specialises in animal welfare shows to be perpetrating the damaging myths that these large and long lived fish do not need a high standard of care and that they have short lifespans.

A great post, but I think you may have meant "perpetuating", not "perpetrating".

It will be interesting to see if anyone gets a reply from the BBC or the RSPCA.

 

[Shred]

Hmmm Complaining about a film that is 20 years old and wont ever change or need to change... or complaining about a recent program where the incorrect understanding and beliefs are being widely used to judge animal (fish) welfare...Yeah you're right with your sarcasm...they clearly can be compared

Haha sorry Curiousity, I was just joking and sarcastic, but I didn't mean it to come across in a horrible way (and I did actually watch Rocky last night!). I completely agree with what you are doing and I think the very idea of the public having to educate one the biggest animal welfare charities on the correct treatement of fish, well, just seems ridiculous.

 

[Curiosity101]

Fair enough. No harm done.

 

[dudleyd]

Good work Curiosity.

 

[raptorrex]

We can't ban all wild caught red listed fish...people just don't care enough. That doesn't mean that we don't care...we just know there is no way we can make that difference.

so how will complaining about an organisation that is following the rules, as they are, going to help? we can stop the import of Red list fish, we just dont buy them!!!! and that something we can do. but its true, most wont. thats the fault of those in the hobby, not any organisation. if we are not prepared to give them up. why should any other of our requests be heard?

also, and more importantly, there are no RULES, fish do not enjoy the protection other animals do. you can say, how you feel goldfish, should be kept. even so, its only your opinion, not FACT. same goes for all of us.

so before complaining about the actions of others, should we not get our own house in order? i really do admire your fervour, but its, selective. relying on shouting at the actions of others. whilst stating, "we cant do that", if it means we will have less fish to keep.

if you want to, try, and organise. in order to put pressure on the government, to implement "proper" rules, as to the conditions fish are kept in this country, fine. I'm with you all the way. but shouting at the RSPCA, for following rules (however flawed) is pointless. as pointless as wanting others to change, whilst refusing change ourselves.

 

[Curiosity101]

I don't buy any wild caught endangered fish (and wouldn't buy any, even tank bred, unless I planned to breed them)...neither do I buy dyed or injected fish...so frankly I'm already doing as much as I can there.
Also I'm not saying we can't stop the catching of endangered wild fish. I'm saying there is NO way we can stop it yet. Until the public in general have a greater understanding of fish keeping they aren't going to give a #40##. Not enough to back any petitions in decent numbers. Because the general understanding is 'Fish are fish. They don't live long and they don't suffer so who cares'
Until that belief is changed you may aswell be hitting your head against a brick wall. So the only thing you can do, is start at the bottom and work your way up.

And I'm not complaining ABOUT any organisations. I'm complaining TO the organisation. Big difference there. Also, nothing I sent in my complaint was 'Just my opinion', it was facts.
Fact - Amount of algae in a tank isn't the best way to determine it's safety or cleanliness. Safety and cleanliness is based on various levels of things in the water.
Fact - Putting golfish in that sized tank shortens there life dramatically
Fact - 7 months is not a good lifespan for a goldfish (and isn't for practically all fish)
Fact - Teaching inspectors the basics of fish care would allow them to better inform fish owners of what is and isn't good for their pets

If you could point out which part of my complaint is opinion then I'd like to see it.
I do agree if I'd have elaborated and pointed out that I believe fancy goldfish should have 20gal for the first fish and 10gal for each addition, aswell as double filtration. Then yes that's my opinion, it may well be possible to grow them to full size and keep them healthy for as long as they could potentially live in something that is smaller and has less filtration.
Also if I'd said I believe common and comet goldfish should only be kept in tanks to grow them on (unless you have some rather big tanks), and that eventually they should live in a pond. Then again that is my opinion, not a fact.

Whilever the 'professionals' are giving people incorrect information then the myth stays and fish stay 'just fish'. Short lived, disposable moving ornaments...as apposed to living creatures that do require a certain level of care and understanding.

 

[raptorrex]

Whilever the 'professionals' are giving people incorrect information then the myth stays and fish stay 'just fish'. Short lived, disposable moving ornaments...as apposed to living creatures that do require a certain level of care and understanding.

thats my point. does not matter how many people believe your recommendation for fish. they hold no weight. nothing more than YOUR opinion on how they should be kept.
I, fully, agree with your feelings. but that's all they are, feelings. despite your protestations, the RSPCA has broken no rules. no amount of "complaining" can change that.

none of your comments, on fish, are FACT (not to any legal or government organisation.). even though you my believe them so. one thing that is FACT though. is we are making more and more fish extinct, in the wild, buy buying them to keep.
lets put OUR house in order first. than move on to bigger organisations.