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[Nevergone815]

Isn't it also that white cloud mountian minnows are completely wiped out in the wild, that people in the hobby are the only reason that they exist still as well. Also, I'm not 100% sure, but some species of goodeid are extinct in the wild and only exist in some breeding programs, and most are endangered both due to polution of their natural habitat. I'm not agoodeid person os please correct me if I'm wrong as I only heard that through the grapevine a while ago.

Also, I never knew RTBS is only available in our tanks. That they are extinct in the wild. They are all such great fish, too bad man is destroying their homes . Well, better education will help save their homkes (hopefully before its too late).

As for the tank, it seems fine to me!

Great thread guys lots of info can be learned from this!

 

[x-fish]

yea nice

 

[karin15]

The redtailed black shark is believed extinct in the wild due to habbitat destruction, the fish keeping hobby is the only reason the species still exists at all.

its hard to find articles on this stuff, no one wants to talk about it, but i see like a thousand fish being sold in 3 pet stores every week... do you realy think each and every one of them are going to an experienced hobbiest?

 

[CFC]

They dont needs to, sure it would be nice but they are mass bred on such a level in the far east fish farms that there is an almost never ending supply of them.

 

[karin15]

They dont needs to, sure it would be nice but they are mass bred on such a level in the far east fish farms that there is an almost never ending supply of them.

I don't know something about this sounds crule

Isn't it also that white cloud mountian minnows are completely wiped out in the wild, that people in the hobby are the only reason that they exist still as well. Also, I'm not 100% sure, but some species of goodeid are extinct in the wild and only exist in some breeding programs, and most are endangered both due to polution of their natural habitat. I'm not agoodeid person os please correct me if I'm wrong as I only heard that through the grapevine a while ago.

Also, I never knew RTBS is only available in our tanks. That they are extinct in the wild. They are all such great fish, too bad man is destroying their homes . Well, better education will help save their homkes (hopefully before its too late).

As for the tank, it seems fine to me!

Great thread guys lots of info can be learned from this!

actauly you have a good point, I wounder if in fact the hobby is saving fish, because if its actauly inviremental distruction then one day the only fish left will be in aqauriums and fish farms

 

[ac106]

They dont needs to, sure it would be nice but they are mass bred on such a level in the far east fish farms that there is an almost never ending supply of them.

I don't know something about this sounds crule

i dont think CFC is making a value judgement either way. He is just stating that one does not have to worry about the fish becoming extinct simply because commerical breeding will prevent it.

 

[Ben L]

I agree the fish keeping hobby can be of real benefit to the number of fish species that we see go extinct in the wild, just look at madagascar. I think every native species there is endemic to the island and neraly every one is under serious threat. This isnt due to fish keepers but agriculture and food fishing as well as habitat destruction, but in the mid 90s the ACA made a trip to bring back native cichlids and are captive breeding many species to restock the island in the distant future.
Also Epalzeorhynchos bicolor was endemic to a single river system and it was the damming of these waters due to local population growth that caused their extinction in the wild not fish collecting. A final point is this that fish collecting is a source of income for thousands of local fish collectors all over the globe and most of these know more about the fish they collect than any aquarist. iI is in their interest to preserve these natural populations to maintain their jobs and this leads to far more conservation than destruction as waters that would otherwise be neglected are cared for to look after the local people.

 

[karin15]

i think that perhaps discruction of the envirement is reducing fish theres no doubt there but john said that one of the main resons this is happening is because people are takeing tropical fish and corals from the sea...

also they say the same thing about salmon and trout they said that its because of the envirment but every one knows its realy because theres too many people eating them... yes theres fish farms that provide food but its sad to see them extinct in wild and its our fault entirely, you would be surpized how many salt water and fresh water fish are still being wild cought

 

[CFC]

He may be right about the corals, as far as i am aware corals take decades if not hundreds of years to establish themselves and the marine hobby is a serious threat to them and the reefs they grow on.

The freshwater tropical fish hobby however has very little impact on fish stocks and in fact even helps to preserve habitats that would otherwise be destroyed by industry, farming and pollution.
The majority of tropical freshwater fish have very resilient populations due to the fact that for a lot of them their homes are seasonal and greatly effected by the weather, they are bio engineered to breed fast and produce masses of offspring to compensate for what for many can be very short lifespans.

 

[karin15]

He may be right about the corals, as far as i am aware corals take decades if not hundreds of years to establish themselves and the marine hobby is a serious threat to them and the reefs they grow on.

The freshwater tropical fish hobby however has very little impact on fish stocks and in fact even helps to preserve habitats that would otherwise be destroyed by industry, farming and pollution.
The majority of tropical freshwater fish have very resilient populations due to the fact that for a lot of them their homes are seasonal and greatly effected by the weather, they are bio engineered to breed fast and produce masses of offspring to compensate for what for many can be very short lifespans.

he read your post and he still sais the same thing the hobby is doing way more damage than pollution.

I wouldnt be surpized if the salt water fish form would be stuborn about even this.

 

[Ben L]

Im not talking about numbers of fish that are being collected from the wild as this is not the issue the important factor is sustainability, the collection of wild fish has a positive effect on the habbitats that are collected from as it creates an equilibrium whereby sustainable numbers of fish are removed each year which are naturally replenished each year by the spawning of those left behind. We are not talking of the crash and burn wreckless antics of the pre 1970s marine collectors who found new areas of reef and exploited them for all they could, but about groups of local people who are responsible for the conservation of local areas of aquatic habbitat. As well as this when it comes to corals there is a case to be agued that the same is true. the controlled removal of frags from established reefs can once again cause the same kind of conservation, and if your really worried about the state of the worlds reefs then global warming is of far greater concern until we have evidence that more than just a few corals will be able to adapt their algaes to survive even a slightly higher average temperature in tropical regions.

 

[karin15]

yep we all like to push the blame off ourselves its human nature
well I know when theres a fish I want to have the last thing I think about is "how will this affect the ecosystom"
were all guilty of it.

 

[Ben L]

Please dont feel im "passing the blame" i live in a heated house run by fossil fuels and i drive a car too, but this is not to say that i do not attempt to help, my electricity comes from wind turbine generators and i try to walk whenever possible. All im saying is that sustainability needent be compromised by the collection of wild fish and that by far the largest cause of destruction to native fish populations is agriculture and industry compared to that fish collection even in bad cases is almost negligable.