Old Time Riverman

Thanks, but the front layout was fine, even put plants that like hardwater in there...

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Background is Vallis nana which gets taller, but archs beautifully, red center is either a crypt (large wendtii red, or that stem you liked). But it's the focal point. Wood is covered with moss and anubias and put a line to the focal point. I liked Ian's suggestion of sag, but think E. tenellus will be smaller and that lighter green which will contrast with the darker shades of the other plants. Moss would most likely be weeping moss or java if you can find it. Tank will look much larger than 63liters.
 
I would still stick with Hairgrass around the front. Crypto Wendtii aroud the back as well. :good:
 
OK let me have a think about that and draw something up to make sure I'm reading you correctly.
I have loads of Java Moss BTW but I use it for breeding. I'll rip some out though. :good:
I take it you mean Anubias nana or can I use other variants.
 
To give proper scale, use nana. I know Ian, hairgrass is better scale, but it's more high maintenance than E. tenellus. IMO
 
Hmmmmm.
How does this look.
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  1. Vallisneria nana
  2. Vesicularia dubyana
  3. Anubias barteri var. nana
  4. Echinodorus tenellus
  5. Heteranthera zosterifolia
  6. Hygrophila polysperma 'Rosanervig
  7. Cryptocoryne wendtii "green'
  8. Pogostemon helferi
I think I encompassed all that you were saying with a couple of additions, your views would be appreciated.
Regards
C
 
You got your "red" plant (#6) in the opposite end of where you focal point lines are leading, thus creating two focal points. Move #6 to just behind the junction of the two piece of wood. I would not have #1 extend that far, otherwise you'll have a line of nana and it'll lead your eye away from your focal point. The nana should frame it. There is a place for 5 in the area being discussed, as it has a nice leaf contrast to the other two. Stargrass can get big, though. Took a lot of trimming to keep that sucker small in my 8g Dutch. A Myrio species might be better and give you that bright green you looking for.

You are not going to place #3 so symmetrically, right? It looks odd. I'm not worried, though, because plants are plant and wood is wood, and they'll go where they are easiest to attach! :lol:

I love the block layout, that is fabuloous!
 
Not sure I copy you on this. I just don't see what your natural eye is envisaging.
Please take all the plant numbers relating to the above species and draw up a raw sketch using circles in paint and I will amend the overview.
I want to get this right.
Thanks for your time on this
Regards
C
 
Ok, but I need to be on my laptop, you got me on the iPhone now & I don't have your new tank in my iPhone photo album. Once on My laptop I can very easily project what you proposed in that arial picture onto the tank photo using paint. There's a name for that ability, but I don't remember it. :lol:
 
Got this for me yet Liz!!!

I'm perhaps going to tackle part of the lighting today depending if I can get the supplies I need. tubes are fine, starter units may be a bit of a problem.

Whilst I'm waiting to finish my planting plan I would like to hear the memberships views on fish stocking.
I already know what I'm going with for the main part which is.

12 Cardinal Tetra (Paracheirodon axelrodi)
6 Black Phantom Tetra (Hyphessobrycon/Megalamphodus megalopterus)
4 Venezuelan Pygmy Cory (Corydoras habrosus)
4 Cherry shrimp (Caridina serrata sp.) If I can get hold of this highly prized variety. I'm not clued up on shrimp, is this a wise choice
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Possibly some Otocinclus when the aquarium matures somewhat. (I like the new green or zebra (O. cocama) varieties available today).

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Here's a normal variety possibly O. affinis from one of my previous aquariums.​

What is missing is a dedicated surface loving species (four) that would have to remain fairly small and possibly come from South America.
So if anyone has any suggestions on the final piece of the jigsaw please come forth.
Regards
C
 
I'm working on it, sheesh, but will say now, love your stocking list, but you'll need more corydoras. Pygmies really both look and act best with over 6 in the group. I had about 12 in my 10g with pygmaeus and let me tell you they kicked butt! Love your selection of habrosus, though. Everybody goes for pygmaeus, but habrosus is so much more fun. Little barrels of energy. I've seen schools of hundreds at a shop in Miami and they are great. The owner's favorite fish and he kept some fancy stuff. If it were me, I'd nix the shrimp and add...

One of the most lovely South American surface-dwelling fish... marble hatchets... Smallish (less than 1.5"), love the surface, and love planted tanks... An elegant fish. On my fish dreamlist. People are going to say the tank is overstocked, but with the plaanting and the extra circulation, you'll be fine. This tank is a lot like my first planted in IL, except I had more light and didn't have pressurized. I had like 12 pygmy corydoras, 8-12 harlequin rasboras, 5 otos, a bunch of honey gouramis, and rasbora brigittae. But you've seen that tank, the one with the big red lotus, that thing was crammed with plants. :lol:

OK, will stop now and work on your stuff...

Liz
 
I have a preggers crystal red shrimp at present. I put 3 in my tank ages ago and didn't see them, I was watching the tank the other biggs and there was a female stacked with eggs! If she does go the full 9 months, and I can find sole babies, ill Send you some Colin.


Ps hairgrass.
 
Here is the scape you illustrated in that arial view you gave me, realized with paint. I remained very faithful to what you planned, but bear in mind without actually being there, I can only guess at the ratios. I'm pretty good at this, though.

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As you can see, the red is not put to the right, yet the scape lines lead away, giving you two focal points. While it's not a bad scape by any stretch of the imagination, I don't think it's optimum.

Below, I took all the plants you wanted and arranged them in a different way. I create lines in the scape that will lead to the focal point, which I still maintain is that the junction of the two pieces of wood.

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I like the use of stargrass and pogostemon. This will keep that "star" shape in a line. Pogostemon is also one of those cool plants that you can kind of stick between the wood and it'll create an interesting look. Great contrast plant to anubias and moss. I didn't draw the moss on the scape, too hard and everybody knows what moss looks like. If you noticed, I'm also a very "curvy" scaper. :lol: Nothing is in a straight line. I've taken your crypt wendtii green idea and ran with it, mixing it with brown and extending it throught the back of the tank, where it'll meet with the Vallis nana. This will give you a lot of extra plant mass and utilizes the back of the tank with beautiful plants that are very easy to maintain.

You'll also have more swimming space for your tetras. Don't worry about the corys. You don't have a sand substrate, so they'll actually appreciate roaming about the plants and it'll provide a softer surface than the gravel, so you can cover the substrate if you want. If you had a fine sand, I'd leave bare patches for you as I personally enjoy the contrast. Habrosus, while it behaves like a typical corydora, will also roam all tank levels and loves vegetation. At least that has been my experience. In many ways, they are kind of similar to the dwarf anchor cats I kept.

Of course, Colin, these are only suggestions. You ultimately do what pleases you. Aquascaping is a very subjective art and I have a very distinct style that not everybody likes.

Oh, Ian, you are just selling the hairgrass aren't you! For me, hg and tenellus they are interchangeable. Depends on what he wants. Same green color, same function in the scape. Hg is more delicate and I do like the look better, but it is also harder to get established than tenellus. It's a matter of what he wants to do with regard to maintenance. Surprised you haven't come out and endorsed the riccia!!! :lol: That being said, I've not said a word about moss walls... :lol:
 
the bottom one is better, thought the vallis won't sway that way, due to the filter. I do see a problem with the chain swords though. Brilliant little plant until it gets used to be submerged, then it'll grow at least 15-20cms. Tenellus is deffo not a long term foreground plant. Hairgrass is...lol.

Again, pogostemon is a good plant, however without C02, i think you'll struggle a bit. IME it gets leggy and doesn't last a great deal of time without C02.

I'm not being difficult here, i just think that we need to be more on the money regarding easy plants.
 
He's putting CO2, Ian, pressurized, so I think the Pogostemon will be fine. No, like I said, I do prefer the hairgrass, just takes a bit longer. My tenellus was never that unruley. :lol:

My V. nana swayed like that. Beautiful...

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But my plants grow & behave because they get viagra and anti-depressants from my tapwater... :lol:
 
lol, sorry got lost in the thread a while back, i thought it was gonna be low tec. Still don't bother with Tenellus unless you use it in place of the vallis.
 

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