Old Fish Die, New Fish Thrive

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Ok I'll sum it up for you if you need. This is from my previous post.
1 get a liquid test kit
2 get rid of the sharks
3 I understand what you mean but I still don't agree. We all have opinions
4 you do have a source of ammonia in your fishes waste but no good bacteria to break it down.
5 get some sponges and ceramics or something more and don't change the cartridges. You don't need carbon.
6 I'm just saying it's not always hardness and it is a low shock vs say temperature drop
 
I have to agree I'm afraid. Would you get tester kittens? Or tester puppies? What about tester babies? Just seems a wee bit barbaric to me. Why does one life matter more than another :(
 
Well he asked for advice but came to his own conclusion anyway so I'm guessing he just wanted some validation rather than a straight out answer. I hope he hasn't massacred a load of tetras for no reason :(
 
"....i'm not interested in fishless cycling, because the real cycle doesn't start until fish go in there..."

That about summed this up to me.
Best of luck with whatever you 'discover'.

Terry.
 
I have to agree I'm afraid. Would you get tester kittens? Or tester puppies? What about tester babies? Just seems a wee bit barbaric to me. Why does one life matter more than another :(

Do you feel that way about bugs? When the OP said "tester fish", I just took it the same way I do when I see "hardy cycle fish" or "feeder fish". It's just another term for a fish-in cycle.
 
I have to agree I'm afraid. Would you get tester kittens? Or tester puppies? What about tester babies? Just seems a wee bit barbaric to me. Why does one life matter more than another :(

Do you feel that way about bugs? When the OP said "tester fish", I just took it the same way I do when I see "hardy cycle fish" or "feeder fish". It's just another term for a fish-in cycle.


Indeed, there are 'hardier' types of fish that are sometimes recommended for a 'fish-in' cycle, yet that still doesn't disguise the fact that some people are still vividly against anything 'fish-in' related, especially on a forum such as this.
I also see the term 'tester' as bringing images of disposabiltity, or being able to throw and get another one...i don't like this thought being attached to images of tropical fish.

Terry.
 
Indeed, there are 'hardier' types of fish that are sometimes recommended for a 'fish-in' cycle, yet that still doesn't disguise the fact that some people are still vividly against anything 'fish-in' related, especially on a forum such as this.
I also see the term 'tester' as bringing images of disposabiltity, or being able to throw and get another one...i don't like this thought being attached to images of tropical fish.

Terry.

I understand. On the other hand, we're talking about fish and not human babies or even mammals of any kind, so to compare the fish to warm blooded mammals is not quite with keeping things level. I care deeply for my fish, I will spend a fortune trying to save fish that I didn't even plan to own because I like the challenge, learning experience and the subsequent reward if the fish improves. But I LOVE my daughter. If my daughter were seriously ill and I thought it might help her, I'd cook my fish for her without a second thought. Like I said before, I care greatly for my fish and I want them to be happy, but they're still cold blooded fish after all.

Personally, I think fish have a right to live until they give up. I think euthenasia in fish or humans is often times a selfish decision, but that's my opinion and probably not yours. I've seen fish come back from the brink because they had enough will to live. I've seen others give up amazingly fast because they didn't.

The same as with raising kids, everyone has a different idea of how to properly keep fish. It's easy to look at others and find fault, but it's not going to change anything for people to puff up and blow when they see something they don't like. It's just going to get everybody riled over things they can't control anyway. And when all is said and done, it's really up to the fish owner to do as he/she sees fit. Isn't that what we all choose to do anyway? Advice is a take it or leave it proposition. Nobody has an obligation to follow advice; getting mad because they didn't is pointless.

Sadly, there are "tester" mammals out there who's sole purpose for living is to die a tortured death for the cosmetics industry. I seriously doubt the OP was thinking in those terms.

EDIT: I know you weren't the one making the comparisons to kittens etc., I was expanding upon what I first said. Sorry, I didn't mean to cause any confusion.
 
I just think the word "tester" is a bit harsh. I wasn't trying to offend anyone, just the idea of seeing any living creature warm or cold blooded as disposible is just a bit cruel to me.
 
I just think the word "tester" is a bit harsh. I wasn't trying to offend anyone, just the idea of seeing any living creature warm or cold blooded as disposible is just a bit cruel to me.

I didn't mean to imply that you were trying to offend. I just thought it was kind of an apples to oranges comparison. Are you from the US? I'm thinking maybe this is just a cultural language difference in how we perceive the word "tester". I honestly interpreted it the same as calling them cycle fish, which does still have connotations of the fish being disposable I suppose, but it's used all the time.
 
No Wales. I know you didn't imply anything, it was just a bit of a disclaimer incase I'd come across a bit extreme. Maybe I was being a bit sensitive. I think it was the OP's, not coldness but perhaps a bit clinical. I'm a sensitive soul. It's like using kittens to test out new cat food or puppies to test flea treatments. Yes in the long run it's going to be beneficial but do living things have to die? I dunno maybe I'm reading too much into it :)
 
I agree with the bug statement. Its still a little being entitled to life just like a fish.

I did however come here in need of advice for wanting to keep my hobbie fish in a bigger tank without anymore deaths. Basically I did get some useful information from this thread about the filters and a few other tid bits here and there.
 
Ok I'll sum it up for you if you need. This is from my previous post.
1 get a liquid test kit
2 get rid of the sharks
3 I understand what you mean but I still don't agree. We all have opinions
4 you do have a source of ammonia in your fishes waste but no good bacteria to break it down.
5 get some sponges and ceramics or something more and don't change the cartridges. You don't need carbon.
6 I'm just saying it's not always hardness and it is a low shock vs say temperature drop
 
They aren't actual sharks they are like a silver tip catfish that they called a shark at the petstore but it looks like a catfish
 
Could you post a picture? By silver-tipped shark I assumed you meant bala shark.
 
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