New Nano Tank

jaoquinz

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Hi all,

As usual long time reader first time posting. I’ve always wanted a nano planted shrimp tank with HC, but past experience with fish tanks of small volumes have put me off trying something new for a while. Until I came upon this forum and saw Sam’s nano journal and was truly inspired. Then I saw George farmer’s 3G nano beauty. I was hooked.

My first attempt failed miserably. After 2 weeks 2 pots of HC melted and floated all over the place due to the rockwool not anchoring into the substrate. Hair algae everywhere. I created an algae heaven instead. So I’ll just post about my second attempt.

I went down to the “Gold Fish Street” in Hong Kong and purchased my 8.5L tank (just the right size for a piece of blank wall in my tiny HK apartment), together with the necessary equipment. Got one pot of HC and one bunch of Juncus repens, a couple pieces of driftwood. Anubias nana 'petite' cut from a larger plant rhizome that was from fish tank.

Day 1

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These are the specs.

Tank: 8.5 Litres
Dimensions: 12”x10”x8”
Filtration: Aquaclear HOB, standard floss and sponge, at half-flow
Lighting: 11W, no idea what colour temp, siesta photoperiod 7h on – 5h off – 7h on – 5h off (8am to 3pm, then 8pm to 3am)
CO2: DIY, no idea about the bps, ceramic diffuser, drop checker at greenish-yellow.
Substrate: One thin layer of stone gravel from old fish tank, topped with 3L of ADA AS Amazonia II Powder-type
Fertilisation: Everyday 1ml ADA Bright K, 1ml Excel, 1ml Kent Botanica Grow. 1 drop ADA Green Gain everytime I replant plantlets.
Water chemistry: Yet to get a kit. Dechrolinate before filling.
Temperature: Stable at 27 degrees Celsius
Maintenance: 50% water change every night,
Fish: 3 neon tetras ATM.
Plants: HC, dwarf HG, Anubias nana petite, Java Moss, Juncus repens


After day 4, decided to redo the layout to add more layers and sense of depth. Added some clay-like rocks (what you guys call dragon rocks), hairgrass, and moved the juncos repens to the right side of the tank. Added 3 neon tetras from my fish tank, theoretically to insert some N and P into the water column. Bad move? Minimal feeding, they might help with the planaria that is found sometimes on the tank glass.

HC plantlets were replanted separately one by one using the planting tool and a bamboo skewer. With the planting tool, gently gripped 1cm plantlets perpendicular to the length of the plant, and push it all the way in. When I push it in, the plantlet will straighten itself out and the leaves would be facing upwards. Then I gently let go of the plantlet and pull the tip of the tool away whilst its tip is still in the substrate, wiggling around so that the substrate would fill into the space I created around the plantlet. One plantlet done. Bamboo skewer used to nudge and expose over-planted plantlets from underneath the powder soil. After planting I dose 1ml of ADA Green Gain. Not taking any chances here with my first failed attempt. Took about an hour.

After water 3 days of daily water changes and daily dosing of ferts (as per the spec list above), TINY TINY plantlets of HC are pushing out of the soil, so its growing steadily albeit rather slowly.

Here’s the picture of the tank at Day 7.

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Sorry for the 2MP pictures. Will get better quality pictures next time.

Just floated a bunch of stem plants on side of the tank with a zip tie to soak up any excess nutrients in the water column last night. Don’t really want to plant these in as any uprooting in this small patch of substrate would ruin the lines of the layout.

Right now I have the white cottony growth associated with DIY CO2, so will do a CO2 separator in the weekend. I thought it was hair algae, but this stuff attaches itself to the tank glass which isn’t characteristic of hair algae, and it’s white. I just scrap it off the glass and OD Excel and it seems to work for a day then come back again the next day. Anyways the CO2 separator should work.

Other than that, no algae, just cottony stuff and other stray dying HC leaves among the hairgrass, which I just brush away with an old toothbrush. Juncus repens leaves at yellowing and curling up at the top. Clear water, no visible algae and slow growing plants. I'm happy with the HC's health after a week. Just hope the hairgrass will established itself before I give it a good trim.

So that’s the 1st week so far.

From day 8 to 21 will perform 50% water change (I think daily might be too stressful for the juncus repens, as the top half of the leaves which are exposed from the 50% water change are yellowing and curling up) every 2-3 days and dose ferts as usual daily. 1 drop Green Gain every time I replant HC plantlets. On day 21 will release one oto to combat the algae that’s bound to come sooner of later, and when algae is more manageable will release 5 shrimps.

Meanwhile, any advice and guidance on how to ensure that this tank becomes what we all want: perfection in a glass box? Am I doing anything wrong here, or rather am I not doing enough?

Lastly, thanks Sam and George, and all the other people who contributed all the information in their journals. Wouldn’t have taken the first step without seeing what you guys did.

Cheers all!
 
you seem to be doing everything right so far, the HC might take a while to take off, running CO2 high helps (which seems as though you are). are you using 4dkh solution in the drop checker?
 
Hi aaron! Thanks for stopping by!

Just tap water haha. I haven't got around to doing the meauring soda bicarbonate and distilled water thing. Quick question, is the reagant that comes with the JBL checker yellow in colour in the beginning? It starts off yellow then turns green...

Got a cheapo CO2 separator from LFS and connected it. Hopefully that would help with the white cotton syndrome
 
Well please do and we can share ideas. :)

Took a picture with a proper camera not with my camera phone, and picture looked crappy haha. How do you guys take such nice pictures?

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Anyways this is day 8. No water change and dosed ferts, no Green Gain today. Thats the floating plants on the top and its already grown... HC is a nice green and looking healthy. dwarf grass no visible change, and juncus repens still yellowy at the top half.

Attached the CO2 separator.

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So far so good. No algae except the white cottony stuff. Keeping my fingers crossed.
 
yes i will when i go on my local lfs visit on sunday i shall pick up a 3-5 gallon tank. what do you reckon i stock it with? i want to keep it looking as natural as possible. thanks. im not very good at specifying plants. what is the little mossy thing growing out the substrate is it java moss? i dont know much about plants
 
Get a 5 gallon or as big as you can. :) If I had more space I would go long like sam's. Shorter tanks means more light for the plants at the bottom. But living in a 500 sq ft. flat doesn't allow that luxury.

The mossy thing is indeed a patch of java moss from my old tank that I kept in a cd case for about a week prior to planting. These things are resilient and seems to be still in a healthy green colour as it was before. Its actually attached to the tip of the driftwood.

Well small tank means small fish, and keep species minimal and best if they are schooling types. Seen pictures of amazing planted tank with shoals of tiny fishes. It gives the tank a bigger sense of scale. And bright colours helps it contrast against the green plants. Imagine fishes as faraway birds in the sky. Thats the kind of effect I'm looking for haha.

Personally I'm planning to have just 5 neon tetras (the birds), one oto and 5 shrimps (the farmers in the field below). Even that might be overstocking in my under 3 gallon tank.
 
that is the coolist theory i have ever seen the birds and the farmers it would be a joy to do one of these

im going to do this with my cycling 16 gallons 2 foot long. in pounds how much if java moss? and how much are the short grassy plants. and are they orderable of the internet?
 
Haha its some random bs I just made up mate. Its part of my profession.

Awesome stuff with the 2 foot tank. I wish I had one of those. Easier to work with as well with more space to fiddle around my hands in.

If you mean British pounds I wouldn't have the slightest clue as I'm in Hong Kong. I'm sure you can order almost anything off the internet except nuclear bombs. Here the plants are ridiculously cheap and sort in clear plastic bags of water and filled with CO2. You find them in Butt Street, Mongkok area of Hong Kong, nicknamed "Gold Fish Street" for the rows and rows of fish shops there. A bag of java moss is around HKD10 (divide that by 14 for pounds, so less than a quid here), and the short grassy plants are dwarf hairgrass.
 
cheers, i bet its awesome living in HK.does java moss have the ability to take over a tank on its own, as i still want to be able to see the gravel and rocks etc. or do they need pruning i have a 1 t5 48 watt will that be sufficent? or should i add some t8s not leds lol. i want leds for night viewing
 
Try this.

www.aquamoss.net/

As for pruning well just trim it when it get long. Best if tied to something for that natural "I've been here for a while and growing cobwebs" look. Check out Amano's How-to manual from the ADA website on how he ties moss to driftwood.

Java moss needs minimal lighting. Your 48W is more than enough. :)

I just squished mine at the tip of the driftwood, anticipating some food for the shrimps later on. Shrimps love them.
 
hi (again) how did you make your co2 kit did you mix it yourself or did you buy it as a kit please could you tell me?

i bought some dark gravel today and some java moss along with some rocks
 
Hi!

Good for you! Well maybe take a look at the stickies in this planted tanks forum to understand what you need to buy and what you should get so that you don't waste your time and money (although I must say there's no better way to learn other than failure!) There's a lot of websites online on how to set up a tank. The most important thing to me is the substrate. Get the best that you can afford because once you put that in and all your plants and fill up the tank with water, that substrate is gonna stay in there for a while. Low quality and/or nutrient deficit substrate is a waste if your time and money unless all you want to grow is moss, weed and easy floating plants, which would probably grow on anything anywhere.

Try reading on CO2 here.

http://www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=105266

Mine's a 2L DIY. Should be enough for a under 3 gallon tank... Plenty of instructions online.
 
Alright Day 10 did a water change and redosed ferts. No more white cottony growth after using the CO2 separator. HC growth is steady but slow. Plenty of dirt among the hairgrass which I shake off with the bamboo skewer and let the HOB filter suck it up. Moved the HOB's output flow to middle of the tank ensure more water circulation at all corners of the tank as well.

Just wondering, is the 11W power compact adequate for the plants? I'm reading about the nano tanks here and everyone is using 18W to 24W for tanks of 8 inch height (similar to mine). I covered the tank with a blanket to see the proper amount of light going into the tank and its amazing how little of it actually reaches the bottom. Would a reflector help? (Although I'm not sure how a reflector can be attached to my clip on light). Or would I be better off getting a new light, maybe 18W at least. Or even put the new light and the existing one side by side to create a 29W combo... or use another timer and noon burst the 11W and leave the 18W as the main light...or get another 11W clip on and get a 22W combo. Haha the combinations are endless. What should I do?

Also, the juncus repens isn't recovering. The top half leaves are yellow (chlorosis?) and crinkly and looks worse everyday. My fert routine is as the same as before. Am I missing something here? Or should I cut it off at the node and let it regrow?

As for the HG, would I need to trim it soon before the tips become algae farms? I have a morbid fear of algae.

Lastly, would I need any substrate ferts (with the liquid ferts I'm dosing) for the plants I'm planting, like iron tabs?

Thanks in advance!
 

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