New Nano Tank

Just wondering, is the 11W power compact adequate for the plants? I'm reading about the nano tanks here and everyone is using 18W to 24W for tanks of 8 inch height (similar to mine). I covered the tank with a blanket to see the proper amount of light going into the tank and its amazing how little of it actually reaches the bottom. Would a reflector help? (Although I'm not sure how a reflector can be attached to my clip on light). Or would I be better off getting a new light, maybe 18W at least. Or even put the new light and the existing one side by side to create a 29W combo... or use another timer and noon burst the 11W and leave the 18W as the main light...or get another 11W clip on and get a 22W combo. Haha the combinations are endless. What should I do?


get another clip on, like the arcadia arc pod to make 22w.

Also, the juncus repens isn't recovering. The top half leaves are yellow (chlorosis?) and crinkly and looks worse everyday. My fert routine is as the same as before. Am I missing something here? Or should I cut it off at the node and let it regrow?

i am not really familiar with the ADA fert regime, what are you adding with it? IMO they are ripping you off, might as well buy something like seachem flourish or tropica plant nutrition which conatins everything to dose from the start,

As for the HG, would I need to trim it soon before the tips become algae farms? I have a morbid fear of algae.

trim it anyway, it will promote new growth, as for algae, it woont come if you do everything correctly, take a look at the guide in my sig so you know what to look out for.

Lastly, would I need any substrate ferts (with the liquid ferts I'm dosing) for the plants I'm planting, like iron tabs?


no you have aquasoil...
 
Hi aaron!

Thanks for replying! :)

Alright will get another clip on light. Should I just go for an 18W then, the price difference is like a $10.

The Juncus repens is still crinkly. I read online that too much Excel can "burn" the plants. I think I might have done that when I spray a concentration of 1 part Excel : 5 parts water and sprayed it all over the inside walls of the tank to make sure no algae grows (when I thought the white growth was algae), thus spraying the exposed top half of the juncus repens as well. Could this be it?

As for the ADA ferts, yes they are pricey, however prices are pretty competitive here in HK. ADA stuff are almost the same prices as the Seachem stuff. If it doesn't work I'll change to Seachem later.

Dosing regime is 1ml ADA Brighty K (Potassium thats all it is), ADA Green Gain, and 1ml Excel (Carbon). I got a 500ml bottle of ADA Green Brighty Step 2 which contains all the nutrients needed (including iron), but instruction say to add only only after the 2nd or 3rd month after the first trimming. Therefore I'm using Kent Botanica Grow which was leftover from a tank before.

Kent Botanica Grow is a phosphate and Nitrate-Free multinutrient solution, the bottle says it contains Muriate of Potash, Magnesium Sulfate, Calcium Citrate, Iron EDTA and Potassium Iodide. I dose 1 ml every 2 days after water change.

Therefore tank has no phosphate or nitrogen dosing, although I added 3 tetras for that purpose. Is that what I'm missing? HC are nitrate sponges aren't they?

I'll be trimming hair in the weekend. :)

So no iron tabs required. More money to go into getting a new light then!

Once again cheers! Will see how things go and post an update!
 
yes, 18w on its own will be fine.

using excell out of the water is basically like using bleach, it will burn hold in the plants!

the thing i dont get is why not just dose all the nutrients from the start? if you are only dosing K, then your plants are missing out on other nutrients ( i know oyu dose the other stuff to but it is just an example) if you, then just buy an ADA fert that includes everything.

not sure aboout HC liking NO3, i know it likes lots of light & CO2 though.
 
Cheers aaron! I'm going to gt a 18W light tomorrow. :) Might try doing 29W all out. Too much light?

Well looks like I i'd burn my juncus repens. Should I just cut it off at the nodes and let it regrow? OR is there any hope of it getting back into shape? Looks kinda cool crinkly and yellow though haha.

Day 11. HC looks kinda sad now. Growing leggy but hte older leaves are kinda dying and turning yellow. Dwarf hargrass growing awesome though! Will trim tomorrow night.

So u think I'm missing out on the P and N? If so I'll get some seachem flourish tomorrow. I was under the assumption that Aquasoil would provide the adequate P and N nutrients. That's how the ADA ferts aparrently work in conjuction with AS.

In your opinion, is the seachem ammonia alert an worthy investment?

Will post pics tomorrow night!

Once again thanks!
 
i think it will be too much with your DIY CO2,

better to cut the nodes as it promotes new growth, also if it rots it releases ammonia which can trigger algae.

higher lighting requires higher CO2 & ferts, so the AS may provide enough N&P under low light, but not now you are upgrading.

The device detects less than 0.05 mg/L (ppm) free ammonia and alerts you to the #1 killer before any sign of stress.

taken from aqua essentials website ^^^^^^^^^^^

going by that, a smaller amount of NH3 could cuase an an algae outbreak, i think it is a product designed more for fishkeeping than plantkeeping. no point in it really. you shouldnt get NH3 unless:

filter bacteria dies
disturbed substrate
dead/ rotting plants

in the last 2 cases, you should always perform an 80% water change after a rescape/ disturbance of substrate

i have actually never heard of it before so no point in getting really!
 
Alright Day 12!

Went out to get another clip on 11W light and placed it side by side with the existing one. Hopefully that is enough even distribution of light for a 3G tank. Is that a correct assumpton?

Did a water change yesterday so leaving that for tomorrow. No more extra white growth, no visible algae. Did a little trim of the (fast growing!)floating plant and of the dwarf hairgrass on the brown tips only. Rest of it seems healthy and growing! Really excited.

As for the HC it's still sprouting small shoots out of the ground but growth is really slow. Is this normal for HC? Maybe the extra lighting would help.

Also cut off the dead leaves of the juncus repens right at the nodes. Looking forward to new lush growth from these nice plants!

Anubias is as normal, patch of java moss at the tip of the driftwood is browning. Too much light?

Well after all that dosed the ferts as usual, and added another drop of ADA Green Gain.

Can't wait for the day when I can finally get the shrimps and oto in! Or should I go for a Bristlenose Pleco?

Some pics as per Day 12.

Overall shot of tank
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Right side
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Left side
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Two 11W light fixture for even distribution. 22W in a 3 gallon too intense? 15cm from the water surface.
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Healthy growth of HC? Note the white fungus growth on some of the dying leaves.
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The aquascape.
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Thanks a lot again aaron for the tips. Appreciate it! I'm rather happy with the progress right now, and with all the advice and research hope that this is the right setup for lush growth. Hopefully all goes well.

Will update soon!
 
HC is slow to take off, but once it does, it is fast growing. It is better to run the CO2 high while you have no fish in but you cant do this with it being DIY.

Java moss is a common plant to be grown emerged, so it is more than likley changing to submerged form.

I like the way this is going, but i think you should move the 2 rocks right a bit so they are not touching the glass, they are very distracting there.
 
Truck: Java moss is the TINY patch that sittin at the top tip of the driftwood!

Aaron: I know what you mean about the rocks, but due to the driftwood sticking into the gravel I can't move it any more to the right. I'll figure something out later.

One thing though, changed the DIY bottle today to a new brew because the prior one was tattering off in CO2 production. While I was at it I added a check valve inline between the bottle and the CO2 separator. 24 hours later no bubbles were coming through. Are check valves not suitable for DIY because the pressure buildup is not enough?

Due to this I dosed twice the Excel dose to make up for the lack of carbon. Am I correct in this assumption?

Looks like DIY can be a hassle. Might as well get those disposable cans of CO2 for more relaibility huh?
 
check valves are fine, some people use ceramic diffusers with DIY so there must be enough pressure, they dont even need much anyway,

dosing the excel is fine.
 
Day 14!

Finally after 2 days of no CO2 (and 2ml dosage of Excel in place of it) I realised that it was the bottle connection that was leaking. Nothing a little sealant can't fix. That is the problem with DIYs huh? Might invest in the disposable cans next time when things get underway and I wanna leave the tank as a self-contained entity ie. something to look at more than something to fiddle with haha. Right now I'm trimming and scooping dead leaves and scraping algae off the tank glass and ensuring new HC growth get pushed flat onto the substrate everynight.

The extra 11W (2 days now, two 7-hour photoperiod a day with a 5-hour siesta in between) seems to be working as the leaves are greener now. More older leaves dying off (maybe due to the lack of CO2 injection for the past 2 days?) but hopefully that's sorted now. No water change for 4 days now, gonna push to day 7 to see if I can do 50% weekly water changes now. Right now whatever growth on the tank glass I scrap off.

Here's the pic for day 14.

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As you can say if you compare to the prior pics, HC hasn't really grown significantly but remains healthy, with tiny shoots pushing out of the ground. Dwarf HG is getting long (not sure if it is swarf after all.. will see). After trimming the juncus repens has srpouted new green growth from the crowns and looks underway to a bushy thicket it should become. The anubias nana has black spots on it already (algae?) and when I brush it with a toothbrush it actually scrapped some of the leave's skin off! Not a good sign huh? Moss looks brownish still but ot worried about that. Might just get some new dark green healthy ones next time when I get the resident oto for cleanup duty next week.
 
I've got a question for you aquascaping aesthetics people!

After aaron commented on the position of the rocks on the left, I'm thinking of doing a little redecorating. Just a thought.

Should I take off the anubias nana on the top of the driftwood and replace it with some phoenis moss? Make the driftwood sort of a tree? Or even cover the rocks with moss as well?

Comments please!
 
Day 17!

After scrutinising the tank for 2 days yesterday and some research on moss, shrimps, otos and snails, I decided to do a little redecoration. So I went out and got the following:

1) new mini glass diffuser. Old one was just too big a scale for the nano tank.
2) a patch of VERY OVERPRICED mini taiwan moss (3" x 3"). I think this is the right scale for the nano tank.
4) moss string. These things are more expensive than fish!
3) 3 otos
4) 10 cherry shrimps
5) 5 striped nerite snails (space alien snails as they call it here because of the protrusions on their shells that look like antenna on a space helmet.) These don't grow larger than hald an inch. Once again right size for the nano tank.

So of course I was very excited when I got home last night and started the entire process of acclimating the new residents by the drip method because of the sensitivity of the otos and shrimps. This was done using tank water I siphoned out (50% change after 5 days) from the tank. That in process I started with the rescaping.

I first took out the driftwood and push the substrate as far back up the rear of the tank as possible (some has fallen forward naturally). Then I placed some rocks at the location where the base of the driftwood would be. These act as a sort of terrace to prevent more soil from falling forward, as well as to stabilise the driftwood when it goes back in. Then, remembering what aaron said about the two rocks on the left, I move the middle rock beside them to create sort of a continuity in the rear landscape, and and angled the rock on the right a little out. These should create sort of a "fanned out" imaginary line when the dritfwood is placed back in. I think its something about odd numbers being better than even ones.

Then I relocated some of the hairgrass (which are getting longer everyday!) so they don't entangle each other. They seem to be in such a messy tangle that I'm not sure if that is the way they should be. The past 2 weeks I've been combing detritus from them. Hopefully they'll "untangle" themselves when they grow more.

I then trimmed off all the dead leaves of the juncus repens. I noticed some new leaves sprouting from the crowns so things are looking up.

Then I combed the substrate in the foreground so they are back level in the front. Very particular about this part. I want a straight line from the front elevation. In doing so I uprooted some of the HC and saw that healthy root growth has occured. I replanted all these.

That done, I proceeded to tie the mini taiwan moss to the driftwood. I imagined it being a fallen willow tree with the moss on the top parts of the driftwood and hanging down. SO first I removed very carefully the moss from its mesh, and broke them up in inch x inch patches. Then slowly laid them on the dirtwood while it was wet to get an idea of how the final result would look. After I was happy with the outlook, I tied them onto the dritwood with the moss strong. Amazing stuff. Strong like a fishing line but as thin as human hair.

When that was done, I placed the driftwood back into the tank to make sure there was no floating moss patches. Then I placed the driftwood back into position, sat back and admired the final scape. Done!

All that took about 4 hours.

So with that done, I went to check on the new residents. In the container, the otos were swimming around, the shrimp was feasting on a piece of jave moss that came with the bag, and the snails were... doing what snails do.

I filled the tank up slowly with conditioned tap water, attached the new diffuser, and turned on the filter. All was good.

Then I put in 3 drops of ADA Green Gain, 3ml of ADA Brighty K, 1ml of Excel, 1 ml of Kent Botanica Grow. I let the tank run like that for another hour. No chances with such sensitive new residents.

While it was doing that, I checked the filter media for any debris and finally realised that the filter floss catridge also contained some carbon! I immediated performed open chest surgery on it with a penknife and took out all the carbon. Then I put it back in the HOB filter, and placed another piece of filter floss in front of it for mechanical filtration before it hits the existing floss that should be working as the biological filter.

Soon the CO2 was streaming out of the new diffuser. Much better smaller bubbles and much easier to push all over the tank from the outflow of the HOB.

Then, the final moment. Slowly I scooped the otos and shrimp out and released them into their new home. Dropped the snails in too.

Immediately there was a scurry of activity. Otos starting sucking glass, going crazy to adn fro the corners of the tank. Shrimp were jumping from one rock to another and finally found the drftiwood and proceeding to eat immediately. The snails just... did that snails did. The tetras seem rather happy with their new mates, checking out the snails and the shrimp.

By then it was 4am. I went to bed.

Next morning went to work and went through the day and came home both excited and worried to see how the tank was doing.

To my slight surprise (as I'm used to expecting tragedy everytime I try something new) everything was a dream.

The shrimps were everywhere, foraging the moss covered driftwood, the rocks, gravel, new HC growth, even in between the dwarf hairgrass. No more combing through them to get rid of the detritus! Amazing little creatures! An two creatures have already molted their shells among the hairgrass! Left them there for their calcium intake.

The otos were a flurry of hyperactivity. One bigger one was more demure, choosing to reside at the back of the tank and slowly working on the algal growth in the rear glass which I never bothered to clean. The two smaller ones were everywhere and seem to be sucking a little glass then swimming then sucking. They have uprooted some of the HC on the front corners of the tank with their constant flicking of their tail fins when they go up and down the glass. I used a bamboo skewer to relevel the substrate and replanted these HC.

The striped nerites were all over the tank doing...what snails do. They look so fiendishly pretty with their yellow and black stripes.

The water was clean, the glass was clean, the HC is flourishing, the juncus repens is growing new shoots, the dwarf hairgrass is still a tangled mess albeit cleaner. Need to sort that part out. Water surface was full of tiny CO2 bubbles. Just hope the otos hang on for the next month. Boiled a piece of zucchini and placed it in the tank. Should be fine if they eat it by tomorrow. I'm worried they might just drop dead from overexertion by the way they are moving inside the tank. Is this normal? and long stringy poo from them as well. Good or bad?

Some pics for Day 17.

Tank complete. Before changing the 4dkh solution in the drop checker.
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What I came home to!
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Messy long tangle of dwarf hairgrass.
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New glass diffuser.
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Any tips for dwarf hairgrass, and explaining the behaviour of the otos?

Did a 20% water change just now to ensure that the water quality is top notch. Temp is a constant 29 degrees Celsius must be the extra light. I made some 4dkh solution using the instructions from the other website. 2 drops of reagent turned it a dark blue. Woohoo! It works. Placed the drop checker back into the tank. After 2 hours, drop checker a bluish green. Might have been the 4dkh solution as I used kitchen equipment on the amounts. But happy overall.


Standby for the next update!
 
Hi radar!

Its from the local shops here. It's a japanese brand called vivaria especially made for nano tanks. They are all 25cm long and clip on, come in 7W, 9W, and 11W. They had a 18W version which seems to be discontinued because I asked the shops and they said they haven't seen any new stock for a while now. That is why I had two 11Ws on my tank instead of one 18W which would be ideal.
 

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