Lljdma06's Nano; Scape #2 8/09 - 3/10

Before I begin, let me show a photo of the diffuser in action, though this photo was taken when the CO2 first entered, so there aren't as many bubbles. Now, I'm pretty impressed. There are tiny bubbles everywhere and they are moving in a sort of infinity sign-shaped current throughout the tank. I think I've got it in a very good location, and I don't want to move it.

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The two canisters are now directly hooked onto the tank and the tubes are connected to the diffuser via a T-connector. The air was just moving too slow, when I tried to have long tubing and hide everything in a box. I'm thinking about replacing it with the manifold I have, as now I think the tubing is short enough to make this efficient. There is so much CO2, that I am considering conserving it by turning it off at night, but I'll see. We're still experimenting here, but the results so far, are very good.

It took about 2 hours for the drop checker to turn yellow near the place where I'll plant the HC. Too much maybe for now. It is now situated in the opposite end of the tank from the diffuser, right above the Hydrocotyle and is now a lime green. I think I need another drop of the reagent. I added three. One more might be best.

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Planning is not the same as Execution... :)

Much to my surprise today after I installed the drop checker, I received a surprise from the post. My moss came! :eek:

I'll let you know now, I had ordered the moss from Aquaticmagic. The reviews for them have been mixed with regard to live plants, but it seemed a good deal, so I would give it a try. My package went out Thursday, the 6th and only took 4 days. Not too bad. Needless to say, I had a ton of moss and still do. 21 portions of weeping moss, and 1 portion of Christmas that I bid on by mistake. :crazy:

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I was expecting the worst, but this was the quality of a typical bag of Weeping moss.

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The Christmas moss was a little worse, but still very much alive and well.

I'll tell you, putting up the wall took the better part of the afternoon and the early evening. :jawdrop It was tedious work, but I was quite pleased with how my idea turned out. It was difficult finding a needle with a small enough eye to pull line through the holes, yet with a large enough eye to actually fit the thread. I went through about 3 needles and just plain threading with my fingers before I finally found a needle that worked well. I fitted a ceramic mister with tank water and was spritzing the moss to keep it fresh as I went along. When I needed a break, I submerged the wall into the tank. Some progress shots.

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The moss is dense and very vigorous looking. I didn't need very much to get good coverage, and you can see from above, that there are places where you can definitely see through the moss. The fishing line performed very well. I was pleased with the rinal result.

Before.
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After.
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Here's a photo of the wall from the back of the tank. You can see the gaps. I purposely made it a little thin, especially in the bottom.
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I love this shot with the anubias, the wall already looks dense, and I didn't even use half the moss. That's insane. Very nice quality, I'm quite impressed with Aquaticmagic right now.
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Finally, a shot of the Christmas moss. I had to put it somewhere, so I covered a little piece of wood with it. and put it with the Hydrocotyle. To me, personally, it looks like it's been grown emersed, so I imagine there will be a conversion time.
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I have a breeder net full of weeping moss and a little christmas moss in my 20g. I don't know what to do with it right now. Because it is under light, I'm not too worried and can keep it safe while I finish planting the 8g. Saturday, I will see what tanks can use some moss. What I don't use, I'll trade out among friends.

Thanks for looking and bearing with me in this really long thread. These posts have been murder and I apologize. I'm really trying to be as succinct as possible and still explain things.

As always comments and suggestions are welcome.

llj :good:
 
It's shaping up nicely.
I'm looking forward to seeing this when it's complete :D

Those anubias are tiny, mine is irritatingly huge. Each leaf on my anubias is about 3 inches long and 1.5 inches wide. The moss on the wood looks really natural and the surrounding plants look like little green flowers.
I can't even see the fishing line on that moss wall.
 
Those anubias are tiny, mine is irritatingly huge. Each leaf on my anubias is about 3 inches long and 1.5 inches wide. The moss on the wood looks really natural and the surrounding plants look like little green flowers.
I can't even see the fishing line on that moss wall.

Well, the leaves should be tiny, since it's anubia petite nana. :lol: Thank you, the wood choice and hydrocotyle are among my favorite parts of the tank as well.

Finally, I was able to plant the tank, but it is still very much a work in progress and I'll explain why.

I ordered plants and they were to be shipped using next day supersaver air, a good option for the US summer months. The plants were shipped on the 11th, and were supposed to arrive no later than the evening of the 12th. They arrived the evening of the 13th. :angry:

Needless to say, they suffered a great deal being in an UPS truck without airconditioning and once the coolling pack stopped working, it actually began to act as a heating pack! Which is what they do when the cooling effect is lost. :crazy: The cooling pack was hot to the touch, which means plants were boiled in the heated water that they were now packed in. Coupled with the vendor using a thermal pack and plastic bags to store the plants, well you picture the results. I won't be using the vendor again and I'm very disappointed since it is the second major US plant vendor that I've had to stop using because they deal with UPS. I get far superior plants using USPS from fellow hobbiests and even from overseas, which is ironic, because they are in the post for longer, but no cold packs and the plants are packed better. :nod: Nobody cares, the vendor won't speak to me and UPS is useless. I am filing a claim, but they will go out of their way to make it my fault, so I know nothing will come of it. A lesson learned. I'd give the name of the vendor, but I find that exceedingly tacky. They simply will not be listed by me in the US directory for plant sources. You'll see two major omissions in that list and you'll then know who I won't deal with.

With what I had, I did an initial planting. It isn't the final layout and I am disappointed. I've got to get plants healed up first. The red plants are all in the wrong places, but I had to plant the Nesea where it would be close to the CO2 and far apart from the other plants so it would get ample light and good current circulation. I don't much like the leaf shape either, a bit too big for the nano, but I'm not sure it's because it was grown emersed or what. I'll play "wait and see". I'm going to further thin out the stems today, because I'm hooking up my 10g to have CO2 temporarily while I give the plants time to heal. Once they grow and heal a bit, I'll replant using a final layout, using stems that were grown under better circumstances. Some of the ideas are there, though, especially with regard to the foreground. I think I created some sense of depth, which is extremely hard in a tank this size.

One pot of hairgrass was complete mush, black roots and everything. The second pot had some living grass, so I was able to use it in the layout like I wanted.

I have to fix the HC layout and the marsilea, I want a clearer contrast between the two, and two streets are entirely possible. The HC looked great and it was pearling last night. I didn't plant individually, I don't need the low lawncover, rather a more rolling hill look. The hydrocotyle has adjusted very well to being submerged and is growing very well.

Some pictures, nothing special, the color wasn't great in my camera today, was washing everything out. You can see the texture better live.

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Good dropchecker color, I think.

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This tank is going to be a challenge, but hopefully with good CO2 and ferts, the plants will come around. Comments and suggestions are always welcome.

llj :)
 
Sorry to hear about the problems. Despite it not being the final layout it still looks really nice. Good luck with your claim.
 
Looks lovely, shame about the delivery disaster, but that HC looks great.I would think some flame moss would contrast nicely with the pogestemon helferi, I have the two in my 10 gallon.The moss also looks completely different to the weeping moss.
..Nice journal
 
Looks lovely, shame about the delivery disaster, but that HC looks great.I would think some flame moss would contrast nicely with the pogestemon helferi, I have the two in my 10 gallon.The moss also looks completely different to the weeping moss.
..Nice journal

Oh well, things happen. I don't have any pogostemon helferi, but I do like flame moss.

While the picture quality isn't better, I like the composition of these photos better.

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For me, what's so cool about the Dutch scape is that there are so many little details. Different photography angles really reveal different scenes within the tank. For some, it may seem like too much or too gaudy, but I enjoy the color play and the different leaf shapes. It is almost like a painting. The Dutch scapes are heavily textured and there is always something new that may catch your attention. Today, I was obssessed with how the grasses and the foreground "streets" played off each other. It was very cute to look at. Tomorrow, I might find myself looking at the anubias and the fissidens. It depends on the day. I'll tell you, I probably will not be bored with this little tank.

I see improvement in most of the plants. Amazing what a few nights of normal temperatures will do. One stem of the Nesea died, but I see new growth on the rest of the stems, which is very encouraging. The myrio is also doing well and the Rotala nanjenshan.

Thanks for looking.

llj :D
 
Looking nice,

Question, any difference between planting Hc like that and separating it all and planting it separately?
 
Planting it individually, if done correctly, ensures a flat grass like carpet, whereas when planting in clumps it with turn out more uneven.
 
Planting it individually, if done correctly, ensures a flat grass like carpet, whereas when planting in clumps it with turn out more uneven.

Exactly right. :good: I was purposefully going for a more hilly effect. I wasn't being lazy. Believe me, I've planted it individually before. :crazy: It still stays pretty darn low and it will still spread. It's HC. It's tiny stuff. :lol: Come to think of it, the Marsilea minuta is really tiny too. I always had hirsuta and mine always remained in a 4-lobe form because of the lower light that the tank was kept it.

I was finally able to plant the stems individually today and I dosed TPN+ for the first time. I was conservative. This is the tough time getting the ferts right and I'm sure my plants are using the CO2, so they need the ferts now as well, especially since many were not in the best of health. I am certainly not waiting for the algae to start before I dose! Right now, I dosed about .5ml. So basically I followed the bottle directions, except I calculated how much I was to dose daily for a 30L tank, and rounded up because I wasn't going to dose .42ml. That would just be silly. Considering the amount of stems I have, though I'm sure I'll have to raise the amount. I'd also rather dose a little everyday rather than all at once for now, especially since I'll be performing pretty frequent water changes, while I'm still getting the layout squared away and to cut down on ammonia build-up while plants are converting from emersed to submerged and incase I have any die-offs that I can't find. Once the scape settles, I'll have less frequent dosings, but with a greater amount for each dosing. The drop checker consistantly shows either lime green (lights out) or apple green (lights on), so I think my CO2 levels are quite good, considering that I'm only using fermentation.

llj
 
Planting it individually, if done correctly, ensures a flat grass like carpet, whereas when planting in clumps it with turn out more uneven.

Exactly right. :good: I was purposefully going for a more hilly effect. I wasn't being lazy. Believe me, I've planted it individually before. :crazy: It still stays pretty darn low and it will still spread. It's HC. It's tiny stuff. :lol: Come to think of it, the Marsilea minuta is really tiny too. I always had hirsuta and mine always remained in a 4-lobe form because of the lower light that the tank was kept it.

I was finally able to plant the stems individually today and I dosed TPN+ for the first time. I was conservative. This is the tough time getting the ferts right and I'm sure my plants are using the CO2, so they need the ferts now as well, especially since many were not in the best of health. I am certainly not waiting for the algae to start before I dose! Right now, I dosed about .5ml. So basically I followed the bottle directions, except I calculated how much I was to dose daily for a 30L tank, and rounded up because I wasn't going to dose .42ml. That would just be silly. Considering the amount of stems I have, though I'm sure I'll have to raise the amount. I'd also rather dose a little everyday rather than all at once for now, especially since I'll be performing pretty frequent water changes, while I'm still getting the layout squared away and to cut down on ammonia build-up while plants are converting from emersed to submerged and incase I have any die-offs that I can't find. Once the scape settles, I'll have less frequent dosings, but with a greater amount for each dosing. The drop checker consistantly shows either lime green (lights out) or apple green (lights on), so I think my CO2 levels are quite good, considering that I'm only using fermentation.

llj
Ahh yeah, I think I recall earlier on you wanted the hilly effect.Personally though next time I will either grow the HC emerged to get a good carpet, just keeping it humid with a fogger, or just plant in larger clumps.
I completely ruined my 3 hrs planting with 1 careless water change :crazy:
TPN is good stuff, I use it along with powders using the EI method :good:
 
Ahh yeah, I think I recall earlier on you wanted the hilly effect.Personally though next time I will either grow the HC emerged to get a good carpet, just keeping it humid with a fogger, or just plant in larger clumps.
I completely ruined my 3 hrs planting with 1 careless water change :crazy:
TPN is good stuff, I use it along with powders using the EI method :good:

Yeah, I actually have the TPN+, which has the macros as well, and not just regular TPN, so that makes my life very easy for now. I like the idea of all in one. :) Very easy. I've seen so many tanks that are very successful with just TPN+ dosing. I'll eventually make my own TPN+, though. It doesn't seem especially hard and I liked making my own 4dkh solution.

llj
 
Ahh yeah, I think I recall earlier on you wanted the hilly effect.Personally though next time I will either grow the HC emerged to get a good carpet, just keeping it humid with a fogger, or just plant in larger clumps.
I completely ruined my 3 hrs planting with 1 careless water change :crazy:
TPN is good stuff, I use it along with powders using the EI method :good:

Yeah, I actually have the TPN+, which has the macros as well, and not just regular TPN, so that makes my life very easy for now. I like the idea of all in one. :) Very easy. I've seen so many tanks that are very successful with just TPN+ dosing. I'll eventually make my own TPN+, though. It doesn't seem especially hard and I liked making my own 4dkh solution.

llj
Ah yes, I think I went with the mix since the powders are very cheap, 2 years on I still have LOADS of it left.
 
:rofl: I am officially a member of a very special club.

The I Broke My Drop Checker Association of America

It is an exclusive club that has a distinguished membership. I am so proud to be a member. I want to thank the little people that made this possible, especially my two left thumbs. You can send the roses in the mail.

:band: :drink: :hooray: :drinks: :yahoo:

llj :good:



PS: I have since ordered three more. :p No biggie, I can guess my CO2 levels pretty well by how the diffuser's doing and I change the canisters regularly. I seriously doubt I'll have a massive algae breakout in the week it takes for them to arrive. I am actually quite amused. I knew this was going to happen, yet I still only ordered one. I live so dangerously. :devil:
 

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