Katew's Fishless Cycle Log

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Sorry TA, the pH will not stabilize as you start converting nitrites to nitrates. Nitrates are commonly present in our tanks as nitric acid, which will of course drop your pH unless you have adequate buffering capacity to prevent it. If you are having trouble with pH during a fishless cycle, the easiest cure is to add a little sodium bicarbonate, also called baking soda and found in most kitchens. Each bit od bicarb will absorb so much nitrate before it will let the pH move down. The highest pH that it can induce in your tank is in the low 8s so it is perfectly safe for cycling a tank. I don't like to use it once a cycle is complete and there are fish in a tank because it causes such rapid and large pH changes. To control your pH on the high side once you are cycled, place some calcium carbonate, readily available as crushed shell or crushed coral at the LFS, in you filter flow path. It dissolves slowly raising the pH of the tank water and giving it a bit of resistance to pH changes. If you go down that path you will need to measure the pH effect and determine experimentally how often and how much water change is needed to keep your fish in a desired pH range. Unless it is absolutely necessary, I would avoid tinkering with pH when there are fish in your tank.
 
This certainly seems to be the theme - manipulate the pH for maximum cycling benefit, but leave well alone when the fish are in there! I'm hoping this tank will mimic the smaller tank in being pretty steady on the pH once it is cycled and established.

A combination of impatience and a delivery of plants let me to discover that the results were down to 0 ammonia and 0 nitrite 19 hours after dosing with 4ppm ammonia - possibly even sooner.

My plant order arrived yesterday (not so express delivery though) so I have spent the last hour or so planting it all up and rearranging the bogwood (pre-soaked) and a couple of shelters, and it is looking a bit more like a real tank now. 60% water change to get ahead of the game on clearing the nitrates. It maybe a little sparse in places, but the plants will fill out a bit, right? Still lots of open sand areas so my (future) school of corys will have lots of snuffling around room.

Come on 12 hour zeros, we're nearly there now...
 
So we are now on the second consecutive day of double zeros (and it was very close to three) so by Saturday morning, all being well, we will have had five consecutive days (touch wood). Do you think it would be OK to cut short the qualifying week and stock say one-half of full stocking and then increase gradually over the next few weeks? With twice daily testing for the first week or two and water changes were required, of course. Any input/experience appreciated.

And as for stocking, I have a peaceful but colourful community in mind. The tank is 185 litres, play sand substrate, light planting at present, with a couple of bits of bogwood, two little caves and some smooth pebbles, so I was thinking:

10 - 12 corys of two species

1 BN or golden nugget plec

15 - 20 mid-water schoolers (neons, harlequins, cardinals or some kind of barb - open to suggestions)

A pair or trio of small cichlids - this is where I am a bit confused. I like the look of bolivian rams, or cockatoo apistogramma, or perhaps angels. The water tends to settle at 7.4, and is soft, and the tank is just short of 20 inches high from substrate to surface.

Any comments, criticisms or suggestions?
 
Anyone? I'd really like to get some fish tomorrow, otherwise it will be a fortnight before I can get to the LFS and have time to fuss about with them at all.

If I were to get fish tomorrow, should I dose ammonia tonight and then water change tomorrow?
 
Anyone? I'd really like to get some fish tomorrow, otherwise it will be a fortnight before I can get to the LFS and have time to fuss about with them at all.

If I were to get fish tomorrow, should I dose ammonia tonight and then water change tomorrow?



Good morning Kate... i made the mistake of rushing my 'Qualifying Week' on the small tank (i think i added fish after 3/4 days). Although i didn't lose any fish, i did suffer with Ammonia for 7 days (0.50, daily water changes brought it down), so i would personally suggest doing the full week (even longer if the situation and time allows).

As for the fish you suggested, i don't have any of them, i went with shoals of Cardinal Tetra, X-ray Tetra and Cherry Barbs, but i am more than sure there is someone alot more experienced than me willing to comment on that.

Anyway, let us know what you decide to do, Regards,
Terry.
 
Thanks TA, for sharing your experience. I hope your tank is all settled now.

I did decide to get a few fish yesterday, because due to other commitments I am unlikely to be able to get to the LFS for a week or ten days now. Not that I don't have time to monitor and care for the fish, or do water changes where required - I just don't expect to get out of work during opening hours!

So I got 5 panda corys (will up to eight or ten soon), 10 gold harlequins and one teeny tiny plec, which seems to be a baby bristlenose.

The harlequins are great, whizzing up and down the tank as a group, then splitting off in to two groups and charging at each other, and very beautiful colours now they have got over the transport shock.

The corys, after sitting still to panic me for ten minutes, started snuffling around in the sand, and have made little dimples all over the place, generally keeping busy, again very entertaining to watch. I can only spot three of them this morning, but I expect the other two are just resting in the caves or plants.

The little plec is the biggest surprise. He is the smallest fish of the lot (barely an inch) and he is surprisingly bold. I expected him to disappear behind a piece of wood and not come out for weeks, but he has been scooting all over the glass, has cleaned the side that was getting a bit algaefied to a shine, and seems to like hiding out in the over hangs and little caves of the 3D background. I think he is going to be fun to watch.

Most importantly, tests taken at about 8 hours and 22 hours after the fish went in show 0 ammonia and 0 nitrite. Will keep testing regularly, but hopefully this will last forever :D

Now to get the hang of big water changes without any more small floods...
 
congrats :) make sure you plop some sinking pellets of sorts in at night time when the harlequins are half asleep, panda corys often need a little help with food in new tanks as its very hard to find.
 
Congrats on finishing your fishless cycle and doing your first stocking Kate! Sorry I missed the fun of talking about hardness and pH but I see OM47 and others have put in some good advice and it appears all is going fine.

~~waterdrop~~
 
Thank you all for the good wishes! It was hard being so patient at times, but I am glad I have stuck with it. And I am really pleased with the way it looks with lots of healthy looking and active fish now. I'll try to take some photos later this evening when it gets dark.

The harlequins have been playing follow-my-leader through the plants, they are very entertaining. Tizer, thanks for the tip on feeding the corys, I guess that will help make sure the plec gets enough too.

The other took a bit of a shine to a betta in the LFS, so perhaps in a few weeks the small tank might be converted for one of those...this fishkeeping business really is addictive...
 
OH NO! No sooner than I say how good it is looking, than I notice that one of the corys has lost his tail! They definitely all had tails yesterday, and there is nowhere for him to get trapped!

It is almost completely clean off at the base of the tail, and must have happened in the last few hours! Surely there nothing could have nibbled it all off like that?

Any idea? What can I do to help him?
 
I had the same happen with a panda cory i had, but unknown to me he was like that when put in the bag, i hadnt spotted, it (i got 10)

He snuffed it eventually, they were very young and small.

when you buy panda corys ideally they should be a good solid inch in size, not including the tail.

the onyl thing i think you can do is get a bit of cardboard and cut out a tail shaped fin, then glue it to him, see if it helps him swim. :blush:
 
Unfortunately too late for a stick on tail :-(

A second one has same symptom, and trouble not rolling on to his side.

Water parameters are still good so I am slightly at a loss here, gutted to be hoping they make it to morning so soon
 
I wouldnt be too hard on yourself, it wont be anything you have done. They are tiny little things and get stressed out very very easily. I personally believe Panda groups should be no less than a dozen, purely because of how frail they are when young.
 

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