If Ur A Fish Lover

[Opcn]

no one has said that they love dyed fish they have said that they like the way they look though. They aren't advocating the sale of these fish by likeing them and not buying them are they? You see most of us are responsable aquarists and do not buy every fish we like I like chambered nautiluses but I'm not going to buy one because they are overfished.

And you jelly bean parrots are far morelikely to have health problems than my glofish It's one gene at a very young age so young infact that the cant even FEEL the pain and It does not reduce survivability under normal conditions (above 44 degrees ferenhiet). And they were made to study development (this strain of glofish was anyways) once you get past how they were made its alot better to have glofish then it is to have longfinned ZD's IMO

Opcn

P.S. dont put my name in quotes insde the command bracket and you can change the post by hitting the edit button at the top of it.

 

[MikeGiangrasso]

You have not yet answered my questions:

1) In what way(s) is the article on Death by Dyeing.org "bad"?
2)Why am I inconsiderate?

Also, another one for ya':

On the topic "death by dyein in peoples sigs" you seem very against unnatural hybridized fish, yet you are fine with the unnatural GloFish?

I myself am against GloFish because we as a race should not be tampering with the genetic information of any species. How many danios do you think died BEFORE the safe Glowing gene was developed. Probably hundreds suffered so we could have a glowing danio. And although the GloFish were originally developed for the environment, they are not any more. Now they are just another one of Dr. Moreau's deformed genetic creations.
http/www.bbc.co.uk/science/genes/gene_sa..._gallery2.shtml

 

[Dragonslair]

I'm not here to debates the rights or wrongs of this topic. What does concern me about this topic is it is becoming a personal vandetta against one member and/or organisation. Please be aware that this sort of behaviour is quite serious. If any member makes an accusation as opposed to a general opinion against a member or organisation directly, it is fair comment for the accused to seek clarification.
Just beware that you are treading on dangerous ground and as an accuser you are the one that is held responsible- not the forum and/or its members for your actions.

 

[MikeGiangrasso]

Dragon - To whom is your post adressed?

 

[Opcn]

Okay sorry for the delay after two brown outs and alot of rageing

okay
1) The artical on death by dyeing is bad because there is not offical or expert or even a learned person to lend it credence It is based solely on hearsay and you yourself do not lend it credence with your broad use of hyperboli. furthermoreYou will never convine me that more money can be made selling 1 fish for 2 dollars then selling 10 fish for 50 cents apiece (you will note that the price difference has been exagerated in your benafit) even if dyes facilities and labor are free.

2) You are inconsiderate because you acosted people in your FIRST post for having oppinions that differ from yours. Not for buying dyed fish or for leading to the harm of any creature (living or dead) but for finding certain colors attractive. A considerate person would have considered that peoples oppinions are not under there controll.

3) Finally the sight you brought up in yur defense states clearly that

Zebrafish are being modified at the University of Singapore using fluorescent genes from jellyfish and sea anemones. The fish are designed to glow in the presence of water pollutants, functioning as a warning system - a bit like a canary in a mine.

they were made not for mans pleasure but for other reasons (I'd like to remind you at this time that I have not endorsed any other gm product) what they dont say is that the scientist ho made glofish worked for 7 years before even proposeing the comercial aspects and mearly bred glofish in a farm type fassion then relased them so no fish were modified for mans pleasure wich is more than can be said for the hybrid jellybean parot which was made (by man) solely for mans pleasure/ profits. and the Gene was not developed it was found in nature aand the failures in genetic modification happen in 4 ways in thois order of frequency.

1 nothing happens and the gene is lost somewhere outside the cell
2 the cell is lysed and the animal/plant is lost lang before nerves ever enter the picture (with out nerves you dont feel or perseve pain/ suffering)
3 The gene does nothing inside the cell (it just gets incorperated into the "garbage" DNA)
4 The gene conflicts with the normal function of the animal/plant (obvously not the case here and if it were it would have been figured out about 6 years before the fish were even proposed for sale)

they were developed for science and are still being developed for science (there are about 300 varieties of glowing ZD and 200 Medaka out there right now only 1 variety of ZD and 1 variety of medaka are being sold) and 0 varieties were developed for sale they were simply sold after being developed for science.

If you wish to discus this further there is a thread for it somewere (I think its entitled "glofish in the usa yay")

Opcn

 

[MikeGiangrasso]

Very well written!

You are inconsiderate because you acosted people in your FIRST post for having oppinions that differ from yours.

I was under the assumption that because you liked their colors you also purchjased/kept them, which was the origin of my comment.

You do have a point on the GM creatures. However, I said:

And although the GloFish were originally developed for the environment, they are not any more.

Which is true. Although there are still varieties produced for the environment (quite a few, actually), the ones we keep cannot change color in the presence of pllutants. The ones we keep in aquaria were made for our pleasure only.

 

[Drac39]

Added one to mine Believe highly in what the site stands for

 

[snotirl]

added it to mine 2. SAve da fish.

 

[Opcn]

It should be well writen thats the third time I wrote it as for the color changeing I didn't want to go into it but the singapore glofish were bred to study vertabrate development.

Opcn

 

[MikeGiangrasso]

Wait a second...what?

GloFish bred for vertebrate research?

Okay, i've never heard that one before, and thus can not say it is not true because I would have no evidence to back it up...

However, it sounds to me like a load of crap...

If we needed to study vertebrate development on danios, why develop one that glows as opposed to a natural one? It makes absolutely no sense at all!

Maybe you misinterpreted; Zebra Danios are used a lot in vertebrate research, and their genome is well-mapped, but I highly doubt GloFish were developed for that purpose...

 

[Opcn]

Yes they were experimenting with puting different dyes in different locations the glofish on the market are desendants of a cross between green fins and rem muscles as I recall. The more useful ones had dyes located in there intestines or heart (yes they actually watched the heart develop through the thin skin of the developing fry) they put the dyes in different locations so that tissue will show up as it developes. If you look at the fish right now it doesnt flourece everywhere just some places (the pictures are doctored or of a different fish).


Opcn

 

[MikeGiangrasso]

I see...I stand corrected...

Do you mean 'dyes' or the flourescent gene?

 

[Opcn]

by dyes I meant flourescent proteins Sorry they are functioning as dyes (but not injected)

Opcn

 

[JoKeR]

 

[Opcn]

do you have something to say 55 or are you just shakeing your head in disbelief?

Opcn