High Nitrate Or Is It? Also Cory Cats Strange Behaviour?

I'm getting bored of this argument (and, frankly, the site) now, but here's yet MORE links to support my argument.

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Congratulations. You have posted web pages from the internet to counter points made with the support of scientific research. Anyone could have written those websites, including you (though I am not aleging that here). If they don't refer verifiable research to back up their claims then they are just baseless claims.

You have also claimed you based your information on independant research, how about you post that?

It seems you have your own views which are not backed up by science and are unable to consider that your original views might be wrong. I note that you were intially unable to accept my post that fish can develop an immunity to ich (As shown by scientific research) but you have gone strangely quiet in that thread.

I used to think that nitrates above 40ppm was really bad (a search of my old posts will confirm this) until I came across science stating the contrary. There is nothing wrong with changing one's opinion after looking at new evidence.

Also, to help back up the sicentific posts with experience, I helped CFC with the set up of his fish house and giant tank. CFC keeps stingrays in London tap water where the nitrates are often 40ppm out of the tap. This means that CFC's 'rays are going to be living in higher levels of nitrates than that. Nowthere are few fish which are considered more sensitive to water conditions as stingrays, yet CFC's thrive, despite many websites in the recent past claiming you need RO water to keep rays (interestingly, Scott Michael's book on keeping stingrays and sharks notes that 100ppm is a good goal to keep your nitrates under, but admits the true toxic level is higher).

As a final note, is it perhaps possible that you are getting bored with the argument because you are unable to find scientific proof to show that nitrates are toxic to fish at numbers below 3 digits? ;)
 
Nitrate is the result of the nitrification process therefore it will always be present, plants utilize nitrate so having may plants in an aquarium will help control nitrate levels but even plants suffer if nitrate levels are to high (30ppm).

That is just laughable. Are you telling me no one in SE England can keep plants? I use 25ppm of nitrate as a general target to keep my plants healthy, as recommended by the Estimative Index of keeping planted tanks.

Another sign that nitrate levels are high is the appearance of excessive algae, algae thrives in water where nitrate levels are above 10ppm so keeping nitrate levels low will also help reduce the outbreak of algae.

Like I said, I dose nitrates up to 25ppm without algae. Most people on here will have nitrates over 10ppm, but not have algae. I expect you could also find articles rolling out the phosphates cause algae argument.

Nitrates promote the growth of algae which can result in a cloudy tank with increasing amounts of the toxic ammonia and nitrite.

This guy is being more specific and saying nitrates cause green water! Ammonia will not increase in the presence of an algae bloom, it will decrease as algae is a very efficient assimilator of it. Thus, it is unlikely a nitrite spike will appear, either.

The EPA maximum allowable nitrates in tap water is under 10 ppm. In humans it causes a condition called blue baby syndrome which is a very serious condition that develops in infants exposed to nitrates.

This would explain all the blue babies around London where tap water is apparently around 40ppm.

Fish will definitely feel adverse effects and become more stressed above 40 ppm which is very easy to reach in your average fish tank. Nitrates are also the primary contributor to unwanted algae growth.

Pure and utter rubbish in my experience. I have taken nitrates up to around the 100ppm for one month in one of my tanks to see what effect it will have. No noticeable algae to start with, and no noticeable algae to finish with. One month would be too short, I suppose, as a means of checking the effects on inverts, but my caradina multidentata seemed happy.

Seriously, TetraLinz, have a look at the Barr Report and join the 21st century.

Dave.
 
It seems you have your own views which are not backed up by science and are unable to consider that your original views might be wrong. I note that you were intially unable to accept my post that fish can develop an immunity to ich (As shown by scientific research) but you have gone strangely quiet in that thread.

I am getting bored with this argument as I can see I'm dealing with idiots who just won't let an argument that WAS between Rabbut and myself, lie, and I have gone quiet on the thread you mentioned because I simply completely forgot about it.

Frankly, there are a number of critical errors on this site and the way you all care for fish that leave me cringing. I'll not go into them now. About the only decent keeper on this site is Wilder.

To hell with the lot of you - and this site.
 
It seems you have your own views which are not backed up by science and are unable to consider that your original views might be wrong. I note that you were intially unable to accept my post that fish can develop an immunity to ich (As shown by scientific research) but you have gone strangely quiet in that thread.

I am getting bored with this argument as I can see I'm dealing with idiots who just won't let an argument that WAS between Rabbut and myself, lie, and I have gone quiet on the thread you mentioned because I simply completely forgot about it.

Frankly, there are a number of critical errors on this site and the way you all care for fish that leave me cringing. I'll not go into them now. About the only decent keeper on this site is Wilder.

To hell with the lot of you - and this site.

Are you really that stuck up your own backside you have to stoop to an all time low by making even more brash and unfounded statements as above?!?!
Earlier on in this thread you tryed to back yourself up and say you aren't arrogant, i'm sorry but you are VERY ARROGANT, STUBBORN and IN YOUR OWN LITTLE WORLD!!

You obviously haven't read what other people have been posting or you would have swallowed your pride and admitted that what you are saying is totallly and utterly unfounded rubbish!!

Also you obviously cannot read, so let me say it once again- I have read all of your posts AND links and NOT ONE OF THEM backs up what you are saying about nitrate being TOXIC to FISH at 40ppm, some of them state that after a PROLONGED period of time it can induce stress on fish and prevent them fighting off disease, but as i said earlier what does one class as a prolonged period of time?

Without any SCIENTIFIC PROOF from a RELIABLE source your statements mean absolutley nothing, as has been said there are many people who have nitrate levels above 40ppm and have no problems.

Come on seriously get in the real world and swallow your pride, it's fair enough that you have your opinions, but to be so stubborn as to still think you are 100% right after everything that has been put to you is unreal.

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well thats 30 minutes of my life i'll never get back! just had to read the thread to the end(!) ah well i had time to kill. interesting debate though.
 
I am getting bored with this argument as I can see I'm dealing with idiots who just won't let an argument that WAS between Rabbut and myself, lie, and I have gone quiet on the thread you mentioned because I simply completely forgot about it.


AHA! Argumentum ad hominem! You are unable to debate or refute the actual points I made, therefore you have to resort to attacking me instead. The point remains, you cannot refute the arguments put forward by myself and others. And don't get upset that others join in a debate which is conducted in public. If you really wanted to avoid the input of other members you should have taken it to PM.

Frankly, there are a number of critical errors on this site and the way you all care for fish that leave me cringing. I'll not go into them now.

Or, you can't point them out as the last time you tried it was clear you were misquoting.

About the only decent keeper on this site is Wilder.

That in itself shows your narrow ability to read. Considering we have authors of fishkeeping books on here as well as people keeping and breeding some of the rarest fish available, your comment above merely shows how foolish you are.

To hell with the lot of you - and this site.

If you are just going to come in and make baseless claims and not back them up and then call people idiots for disagreeing with you: don't let the door hit you on the way out :good:
 
My tap water has 30ppm of nitrate in it. A weekly water change of 20% will keep nitrate below 50ppm and for me thats my magic number.
 

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