Here We Go Again.....

[ben1987]

i wouldnt add anything now for atleast a month to let it all settle. then see how your water quality is and aggression levels

ok lol though i doubt my dad will stick to it, ill try and let it settle for as long as i can, i can already see how this will play out:

tell dad water is safe
dad wants fish
tell him forum says wait a bit
drives to lfsfor RO water
asks owner what to do
owner says hes good for more fish
dad buys a fish and ignores me, yet expects me to take care of it.




however i dont see what the aggresion is for as its just the 2 clowns and they have been fine with everything....



fishkeeping is hard when the guy that techniqually owns the tank ignores everything you say

When clowns get bogger they get mean, same with every fish....adult ones are a LOT nore aggressive than the young ones you buy in the shops.

Ammonia could spike again if he goes increasing the bio-load too soon. could (worst case scenario) crash the tank

 

[GAB99]

also for the 65 stocking would a pair of orange striped cardinals be ok to replace the bangaiis?

thanks for that bit ill let him know might let him go the whole month

 

[onebto]

I say good on your dad that will teach you to buck your ideas up in the future

 

[GAB99]

I say good on your dad that will teach you to buck your ideas up in the future

lol he doesnt even care if i give an essay, whatever he says goes its simply a matter of subtle persuasion, and beleive me im very persuasive

 

[onebto]

I know you probably will not grasp what your father is doing but by dropping your grades the only person that is going to suffer is YOU!

The only person loosing out is you and long term It does not matter how much of a brave face you put on the situation.

But I wish you good fortune with your education and grades

Take it from me I know its a long hard slog.

Regards onebto.

 

[stefday]

I had very bad advice from a lfs when I started to keep marines. They kept saying that it was okay to keep adding fish and the tank crashed killing everything in it.

Not an experience I would wish on my greatest enemy so please take it slow. Some lfs are only interested in the profit they can get and do not care about the end result.

 

[GAB99]

@onebto

beleive me i have had things go perfect on my end and they still dont work through... id rather stop talking about this now as this runs pretty too deep for me to be putting it on a website , afterall its a fish forum.


@ stefday

if i was the one in charge i would (grugidly as noone is truly patient lol) wait the month out but i cant read minds so all i can do is hope he goes through, when i told him he said " so they (you guys) want me waiting till the end of time to put fish in "


however i did say we could get more snails next week? wouldthat be ok or shouldi hold off from doing ANYTHING to the tank stock wise for the month?

 

[seffieuk]

Patience little one, wait...........................


Seffie x

 

[GAB99]

ok lol im fine with waiting as im tangled with the freshwater but idk about my dad, ok then thanks for te info guys!

 

[Pearsondesign]

tbh i think you should go to your lfs and tell them the situation.

make sure they DO NOT SELL ORE FISH TO YOUR DAD UNLESS HE SOMEHOE PROVES HE HAS A NEW TANK!

i see this problem everyday, people lying about tank size and the poor fish die.

if he is adamant on wasting his money then thats up to him, but its not fair on the livestock at all.

name this fish shop, i wouldnt mind calling them up and seeing what they suggest i can keep in my next project, 3ft cube.

 

[Morri]

Please dont think I am lecturing here I am just passing on advice from my experience just dont want you falling into the pit falls I see a lot of people doing

Its a shame I see this sort of attitude form LFS`s, quite frequently from certain chains and "Larger" shops, then we are left to clear the mess up as a specialist marine shop They are generally are used to selling trops where a neon costs 10p and they shoft 100s of them as they breed like rabbits a lot of marine stock comes from the wild and is expected to live on average 10 years !! I have a customer who has a regal tang that is 15 years old! (In a 300Gallon Tank)

we have refused to sell fish to peopls who want to stick a pair of clowns a regal tang and a moorish idol into a nano, we advise them of the what fish they can keep in the tank I frequently spend upwards of an hour explaining things but sometimes they just ignore our advise, Then they go up the road buy a regal tang from garden centre wipe the tank out then give up the hobby.

Live Rock needs time to adjust to the bioload you are adding to it adding to many fish to the system to soon will cause ammonia spikes which will kill inverts, Fish and corals very very quickly. Nice and slow and the LR adjusts nicely to its load as long as you have good flow open structures and 20 - 40x tank volume.

The next common issue is over stocking the rule of an inch to every 2 gallons is a very very rough guide but is a safe limit as you become more aware of the tank you will understand its limits and if you can push them or not. Once phosphates and Nitrates get out of control they will soon kill off Corals and Inverts although fish are a lot more tolerant. These are very hard to get back under control I can testify to this it took me 6 months to get mine under control on a second hand system

Marines are a lot more sensitive to space than tropicals as most are aggressive there are very very few passive Marine fish this also means you need to add your least aggresive fish first so they have time to carve out there territory and most aggrerssive last this should make life easier. So stocking plans need to be thought out before adding the first fish.

I have some unusual/hard to get fish in my tank and I was pushing my like on a couple of purchases as I had to take them when they where available and 1 fish a week for a couple of weeks, using LR straight from my old tank. There are more fish I want to my tank but with Nitrates at 5 and phosphates at 0.003 I will not push my system further.

 

[-Nemo-]

Very good post morri.

Mojo aka Gab, perhaps you should either show your father our forums here or give him some good resources that explain your situation. Perhaps he will care to learn.

 

[GAB99]

Please dont think I am lecturing here I am just passing on advice from my experience just dont want you falling into the pit falls I see a lot of people doing

Its a shame I see this sort of attitude form LFS`s, quite frequently from certain chains and "Larger" shops, then we are left to clear the mess up as a specialist marine shop They are generally are used to selling trops where a neon costs 10p and they shoft 100s of them as they breed like rabbits a lot of marine stock comes from the wild and is expected to live on average 10 years !! I have a customer who has a regal tang that is 15 years old! (In a 300Gallon Tank)

we have refused to sell fish to peopls who want to stick a pair of clowns a regal tang and a moorish idol into a nano, we advise them of the what fish they can keep in the tank I frequently spend upwards of an hour explaining things but sometimes they just ignore our advise, Then they go up the road buy a regal tang from garden centre wipe the tank out then give up the hobby.

Live Rock needs time to adjust to the bioload you are adding to it adding to many fish to the system to soon will cause ammonia spikes which will kill inverts, Fish and corals very very quickly. Nice and slow and the LR adjusts nicely to its load as long as you have good flow open structures and 20 - 40x tank volume.

The next common issue is over stocking the rule of an inch to every 2 gallons is a very very rough guide but is a safe limit as you become more aware of the tank you will understand its limits and if you can push them or not. Once phosphates and Nitrates get out of control they will soon kill off Corals and Inverts although fish are a lot more tolerant. These are very hard to get back under control I can testify to this it took me 6 months to get mine under control on a second hand system

Marines are a lot more sensitive to space than tropicals as most are aggressive there are very very few passive Marine fish this also means you need to add your least aggresive fish first so they have time to carve out there territory and most aggrerssive last this should make life easier. So stocking plans need to be thought out before adding the first fish.

I have some unusual/hard to get fish in my tank and I was pushing my like on a couple of purchases as I had to take them when they where available and 1 fish a week for a couple of weeks, using LR straight from my old tank. There are more fish I want to my tank but with Nitrates at 5 and phosphates at 0.003 I will not push my system further.

yeah no idc being lectured lol tbh all ive learned is from this forum in one way or another so im happy to learn more. i havent spoken with the owner mysef as im usually playing with the achilles in the back but my dad has talked to him and he sometimes recomend fish but most of the time its just talking about the stuff needed for the 65 hes looking into. i guess its pretty hard to judge since the rock was techniqually out of water but when we put it in the tank to get an ok scape it was pretty wet so its kinda hard to judge whats going on (which is why i want to wait the month as imo those 2 little clowns are adorable lol) the tests say thngs are great and that dreaded cyano hasnt come back which i like but since its "new" its only about a week old to date. actually this store is a specialist marine shop ( i dont think i can give the name though ill have to check on that pearson) and imo LOOKS very very nice with all the fish fat and happy, have only seen a single sick clown with pop eye and that was in a quarantine tank.

Very good post morri.

Mojo aka Gab, perhaps you should either show your father our forums here or give him some good resources that explain your situation. Perhaps he will care to learn.

nemo, he is too busy and too "i get my way nerts to anyone else" to really check this place out, and before he does i have some posts to alter and threads to delete lol

 

[GAB99]

well,i told hima rundown of morris post and said "o btw, they also said tojust not add anything for two more weeks (two weeks left anyway)" and now he checked the water:

ammo:0
nitrite:0
nitrate:20
ph:8
sal:1.026 or something like that might be missing some #s but its ok

sooo, if we go to the marine lfs tomorrow, hes getting a fish ill try and keepit small if itll do anything

sorry i let you guys down,i feel bad now

 

[GAB99]

more bad news im afraid, he didnt get one but TWO, a tail spot blenny and a firefish as well as 6 astreas



if i monitor the tank everyday and test the tank everyday will they pull through?? they're very pretty and i dont want them to die. next monday ill start a seperate build thread on the marine tank.