Here We Go Again.....

[GAB99]

proposed 65 gallon stocking:
2 ocilleris clowns
2 bangaii cardinal fish
2 fire fish
2 clown goby
3 chalk basslet
2 tail spot blenny
2 long fin fairy wrasse
3 blue gudgeon dart fish
2 yellow head jawfish
2 long-nose hawkfish
2 flame angels


im thinking that there is a compatibility issue with the flame angels but i was planning on (trying) to breed them and i do have a few 20s on hand which my dad better let me use. as well as the cardinals and the fire fish and the hawkfish AND the goby and the clowns (ok maybe a little too ambitious lol, ill start easy i promise )

i was wondering if im super duper careful if i can get a mandy there my favorite and its the fish that made me get into the hobby (well, one of them ) so its a kind of important fish to me but i took it out of the stocking because i thought the tanks a tad small?

btw my dad not skipping out on the equipment hes skipping out on the tank size, its a punishment for not getting the required grades needed ( i have to maintain at least a 3.8 gpa to be on neutral ground), though we already etablished that this stupid move was punishment enough lol

ok rant mode has ended tellme what you think i can take it

 

[Morri]

Without doing the maths that is wayyyyyy to many fish that is double what i have in a 100Gallon and I am heavily stocked.

A guide is 1" of fish per 2 Gallons I would check live aquaria out for all your sizes to help calculate how many you can keep safely.

 

[ben1987]

quite a lot of them arent compatable either

flame angels - unless a pair would fight
fire fish should be kept as singles
and so should blennys

hth

 

[GAB99]

thanks for that heres another one

2 ocilleris clowns - 7"
2 bangaii cardinal fish - 6"
2 fire fish (pair) - 6"
2 clown goby - 4"
3 chalk basslet - 9"
1 tail spot blenny - 2.5"
1 long fin fairy wrasse - 3"
1 yellow head jawfish - 4"
2 long-nose hawkfish - 10"
2 flame angels (still trying to find a pair if not then just one)- 4-8"

dam 59.5" with the flame pair..... does sump count lol, how about extra LR??

 

[ben1987]

id still say too many,
ive only ever seen one pair of flames. £300 they were. ive actaully seen them kept as a group before too. but it was a 500 gallon tank

id not keep 2 fire fish either. one will end up dead. weather they are sold as a pair or not.

sump doesnt count as it cant be used as territory and neither does extra LR. the inch per 2 gallon rules is very rough too and pretty inaccurate.

 

[GAB99]

yarrrg that leves me with.... 27.5 inches roughly... ok then heres another

clowns 7"
bangaii- 6"
firefish- 6" (im gonna shoot for a pair if not then one, im getting it from a guy that has a bunch of juvies so when thy pair off and grow up to make sure ill consider it, sorry if it seems im going against your advice)
a hawkfish-5"
blenny- 2.5
wrasse- 3
flame??

can i get away with just a tad over??

 

[ben1987]

that looks a better list.

if you want to try the fire fish go ahead. they are ok til they reach adult. then they pick each other off. one guy on UR had a group of about 10 for a while. then ended up with 1. they lasted a while though.

 

[GAB99]

that looks a better list.

if you want to try the fire fish go ahead. they are ok til they reach adult. then they pick each other off. one guy on UR had a group of about 10 for a while. then ended up with 1. they lasted a while though.

yay, and yeah i know but thid guy's old customers still have a pair even after a few years so he seems honest enough.


i guess the mandarin will have to wait another day... o well.

 

[GAB99]

lol first off i realized my math was stupidly off and i have 32.5 inches not 27.5, my dads wondering if skimmers and sumps are included in the equation and if they will increase the number of "inches" available due to the extra filtration, as well as overfiltering and extra water changes.



the other is that my dad is sticking with lfs advice and is getting 2 more (smallish, i forced him) fish for the 20 but im not too worried as there will eventually be a 65, they will be a clown goby/orange striped cardinal fish and a tail spot blenny so hes about 2" over the "rule". however i made him promise (ha) that he wont get more fish till the tank settles ( showed .25 ammonia yesterday so i got worried, and i couldnt test today so i hope tomorrow will yield good fortune).

opinions please

 

[ben1987]

lol first off i realized my math was stupidly off and i have 32.5 inches not 27.5, my dads wondering if skimmers and sumps are included in the equation and if they will increase the number of "inches" available due to the extra filtration, as well as overfiltering and extra water changes.

no they dont, it doesnt create any extra swimming room or terratory space as all marines are semi-aggressive

 

[-Nemo-]

You're having ammonia readings in the 20?
If so, no more fish. Figure out why you have ammonia. More fish may very well just escalate the problem.

 

[GAB99]

You're having ammonia readings in the 20?
If so, no more fish. Figure out why you have ammonia. More fish may very well just escalate the problem.

i know why and thats why im not letting him get more fish till the issue is resolved, im testing the water right now so ill be abck with results, its because we had to let most of our LR die during the move and onlt took what had corals on them, the temporary tub-tank was leaking everywhere so we bagged the LR (lost the xenia) and kept going, when we set up the tank only a few parts of the other LR was wet (which i have to guess at least something lived) and the other bagged ones were wet, we also puoed the water the clowns wer in (no filtration just a powerhead) so the ammonia most likely came fromthose 2 sources, im also planning (when we get the other fish) to buy at least a poundor two more just to make sure something is alive, we had a filter going and the cartridge made it so the tank is techniqually cycled, again i wont know till i get those results.



@ Ben, thanks for the help but now hes asking if there is any way to have more fish in that tank

 

[GAB99]

well here are the test results, ph dropped a fair bit as im assuming we put lowish grade RO water in

pH: 7.8 down from 8.4

ammonia: 0 down from .25

nitrites: 0

nitrates: 0


im just glad that the clowns are safe,they deserve it lol, but do you think i should wait a little longer before introducing a new fish? and tbh the tail spots at the lfs look like little spaghetti noodles,the clownfish wont eat them right?

 

[ben1987]

i wouldnt add anything now for atleast a month to let it all settle. then see how your water quality is and aggression levels

 

[GAB99]

i wouldnt add anything now for atleast a month to let it all settle. then see how your water quality is and aggression levels

ok lol though i doubt my dad will stick to it, ill try and let it settle for as long as i can, i can already see how this will play out:

tell dad water is safe
dad wants fish
tell him forum says wait a bit
drives to lfsfor RO water
asks owner what to do
owner says hes good for more fish
dad buys a fish and ignores me, yet expects me to take care of it.




however i dont see what the aggresion is for as its just the 2 clowns and they have been fine with everything....



fishkeeping is hard when the guy that techniqually owns the tank ignores everything you say