GuppyDude's Spawn Journal Thingy

[GuppyDude]

guess a few are developeing at differant rates in my spawn, i see a few who have just now hatched laying at teh bottom, still have full egg sacks so they arnt moveing much, but there are a couple others who are swimming all over the place, and then theres a whole nest of still developeing babys. my water temp is at or around 80F, last time i spawned a pair of bettas the water temp was around 85F and the eggs hatched much faster, that must be whats caused it, o well i guess ill have to wait untill morning to see em all in action. quick question thogh, kelly told me i should starte feeding the lil guys late into day 2 (tomarrow), because of the hatching time differances between the eggs, would it be ok to give them the bbs on day 3?

 

[afireinside]

The last time i spawned a pair of bettas, (my black hm pair), the fry hatched and died, i never did get to the bottom of that and i need an experianced breeder to watch every move i make as i am recording it here so i dont do anything to screw this up for myself.

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The reason your babies died is because black is linked to a deadly gene.

 

[GuppyDude]

Yes this is true, but they weren't solid black, they were black marble. The deadly gene is linked to only solid blacks correct?

 

[Synirr]

Yes this is true, but they weren't solid black, they were black marble. The deadly gene is linked to only solid blacks correct?

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Solid melanos only, correct, and from what I've read the eggs never hatch to begin with so I don't see that being the cause of your fry deaths.

 

[GuppyDude]

Im pretty sure those fry died due to my error some how, dont know where i went wrong thogh

woke up this morning a looked at this spawn, not a whole lot changed, theres still a whole lot of unhatched eggs and their starteing to mold i went in ans did a carful search and collect of all the fry i could find, their in a betta cup of teh spawn tank water now. i too a paper clip and poked around them to see if they were alive and sure enogh they seem to be very healthy. iv got about 10 in teh cup that i was able to recover. little dissapointed at teh trurnout but i guess 10 is plenty, what would i do with a 100 more bettas anyway their still kinda lazy, just laying around, not a whole lot of movement. one appears to be free swimming and almost has lost his egg sack so ill be feeding them tonight i think. now that i have the fry secured there in that cup iv gotta get some semi-clean water out of that spaws tub once it all settles and im absolutely sure iv got all the fry. now its question time

~what constitutes free swimming? i heard i shouldn't feed them untill they r free swimming but im not exactly sure what a free swimming betta fry will look like, the one that has almost lost his egg sack comes to teh surface and kinda hangs out, but its more like a floating rater than swimming.

~and between the 10 fry he have some color differances, a few appear to be white, while a few others appear to be darker in color, does this just mean their older or is this gunna depict their adult pigmint at all? (the white ones are not dead, i checked)

~whats a good way to harvest a bbs culture, there are so many egg shells, is there any way to seperate the shrimp from the shells?

 

[GuppyDude]

still have only 10 fry, wasn't able to locate any more, my guess is that a majority of teh eggs were not fertilized, didn't see any dead fry, just rotten eggs the 10 i have are doing well and looking more and more active. i put a little bbs in their cup for wen they deside to eat, but i havn't seen them eat em yet. i waited for the water in the spawn tank to settle and i sucked out most of it minus the nasty junk at the bottom, the fry are now floating in that water in their cup untill the water temp in teh cup matches that of teh tub's water, should be able to release them later. they dont appear to be free swimming yet, but some are swimming to the top and floating a lil.

 

[Synirr]

Well hey, 10 is better than nothing!
Good luck with them, I hope they grow up healthy and strong

 

[GuppyDude]

took a recount, now theres 12, lol, they all appear in good health, will post pics of the parents and fry wen i can.

 

[Ben]

That's awesme GD, congrats
Maybe one day when you spawn them again, they will know what to do now so you could get more fry out of it


DD

 

[afireinside]

Ya, but breeding two black bettas is risky.

 

[Joby]

Aww good luck with these little guys

 

[GuppyDude]

hmm, i appear to have lost a couple over night, guess im back down to 10 now. none of them are free swimming yet and none appear to be takeing food, its day 3 now and i hear that thats wen their egg sacks get used up an dthey starte eating....

~ breeding black bettas isn't risky, they will spawn just like any other pair, the eggs are less liekly o hatch and the fry are less likly to survive due to the black geno accully, now that i think about it, breeding solid blacks in impossible. infact the eggs of a solid black female betta are infertal, they will not hatch, most of ur blacks today come marbled or with other colors mixed in, a solid black betta is a rare find and i imagine such a fish will have a large price tag attatched.

 

[afireinside]

Will you be giving away any of the babies? If so, put me on the list ASAP!

 

[GuppyDude]

bad news guys, i woke up this morning and all 10 were dead, i have no idea what happend. i had been worried that they weren't free swimming wen they were supposed to and wouldn't eat, but i thoght they just slow purhaps. kinda ruined my day, i really wanted to get the first few days of this project over with before school started on thursday, because that would mak ethe whole thing damn near impossible. before i try anything like this again iv gotta figure out what the heck is going on to make these lil fish ill, they seem just fine the first couple days but they just died off like that over night, never added anything except bbs (which were cleaned pretty good) (>.<)

 

[ManyFISH4Me]

You said in one of your posts

"water depth is alredy at 3 and one half inches deep, the spawn was done in a 1.5g tub"

That may have been the main problem. The whole tub only holds 1.5 gallons, and you only have it filled 3 inches. That sounds like you had 100+ fry in under a gallon of water. In that little water, amonia would build up and air would be used up quickly. Also you said you had turned off your heater. The fry need a consistent temp. Also what type of "container did you use? Could it have had some chemicals or something on it when you filled it?