For those first time breeders

[BettasRFriends]

Here's my opinion so don't be agitated, offended, pissed off, ya-da: What I've seen is that those who first started to breed bettas are being question like crazy "Do you have a grow-out tank?" "Did you condition?" And the list goes on. I'm sure they've done their research already because if they didn't....eeek. Well that's all folks

 

[Seahorse]

If a user says something like, "So I will be feeding the fry frozen bloodworms. Is that okay???", I am definitely going to drill them as politely as possible. You find out amazing things. They never read you needed a big growout tank with "all their research"!

We have a lot of naive users jumping into breeding when they obviously shouldn't, and a lot of experienced users. The experienced ones should speak out (like they have been. )

People need to do research as much as possible, for months before hand, and have a good setup. If they come waltzing in here ignorant to the fact that a 20-30 gallon growout tank isn't going to do it, I am going to say something. Try not to censor speech on a public message board.

 

[Synirr]

I agree with Seahorse... these things need to be asked surprisingly often. Surely you've noticed that in some of the recent threads, neh?

 

[SRC]

It's not in recent threads..it happens constantly. There is no need in getting upset over it. People just refuse to take the time to research anything anymore..they'd rather just ask a few questions at a time and get an answer. Instead of typing a keyword in the SEARCH option, or opening the "breeding" stickied thread, and reading through the multitudes information they would/can find.

Getting upset about it..will only make your blood pressure higher. Just let someone answer the questions, as you know someonw will inevitably come along and answer their question(s), and leave it at that.


I am not condoning amatuer breeding or people not using the search option at all here...just stating the obvious. People are lazy.

 

[Jessica13]

Hey!! Im a first time betta breeder and i've done over a year of reading a research on it!! We're not all like that

Maybe some people on here who are 'expert' betta breeders should be a little more willing to share their knowledge. It seems like everyone is happy to criticise and humiliate others, but not to politely point out where they are going wrong or whatever...

Just something i've noticed over my year or so of using this forum. Try to be nice to people for a change... Especially in the betta forum!!!!

 

[eudielynn]

No one who has done their research will ask some of the questions that are constantly coming up here.

There is one "breeder" on here now that says he was told by members of this board to condition his breeding pair on flake, pellets and bloodworms and had been conditioning them for two weeks. I found a post two days before of him asking where to find bloodworms and being told by another member that flakes and pellets were not enough to condition his fish. Now he's upset because his fish aren't spawning.

Maybe if he'd done his research and listened to the advice he'd asked for and was given . .

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

This is the way i see things;
a. Some of the more experienced betta owners and breeders can get a little hot tempered on these subjects but when there are so many people jumping into betta breeding at the deep end before they even know how to swim, you can't realy blame people for getting a bit irritated at times.

b. I realy don't know what the huge fuss with breeding is when it comes to people wanting to do it, i see so many people on this forum everyday intent on breeding somthing, anything, wether it be BN plec, krib or guppy or even betta, they have their mind set on breeding somthing that lives and swims in a tank whatever it is.
Sure, there are fish that are easy to breed like guppys or platys, but there is no fish that i am aware of that doesn't require you to invest in lots of fry tanks/large fry tank and research and high maintanence.

I realy dislike the "i want to try my hand at breeding" scenario, or "im bored, can anyone suggest a fish i can breed that isn't a livebearer" scenario. Breeding any fish is not somthing you do to try your hand at or do when you have nothing else better to do as in all cases of fish breeding, it is time and money consuming and needs alot of responsability and research to do correctly.
Sure betta fry are cute, but even i myself would never attempt it simply because of the huge amount of fry they produce and tanks they require to house them and the fact that male and female bettas can just as easily tear each other apart as mate- they aern't called fighting fish for nothing you know.
The betta world is a world of sex, violence and tons of fry.

This is why i believe so many people who are experienced with betta breeding get so worked up when a total newb to bettas with not a clue on the money/tanks, space and effort involved in betta breeding wants to breed them- i don't think it is not unfair to try and scare the odd newb to betta breeding away from the notion as long as its done in a civilised manner because the fact is, most of them will regret it or end up with the situation where they do not have the time, money and space to deal the bettas and fry and care for them.
The majority of people on this forum deeply care about fish even if they are not their own and all they are trying to do is whats best for the person, the situation and the fish.

c. Back on to the subject with as this taken into consideration, yes i do think people can be a bit harsh towards newbs in a scenario where more civilised talk is more than effective and some people do tend to jump to conclusions even if they are likely, every new betta breeder should be given a chance to understand and thats all i saying realy. If they decided to go against advice or not take it in, sure, go have a flame at them, but some people here do tend to be a bit too much on the agressive side when dealing with first time betta breeders on the first couple of posts/page.

 

[tacofrano]

that is why people come here for help. All you where a first time breeder before and i bet you had some of those silly questions. i dont think it is right for you to post somthnig like this. yeas, i know some of the questions are silly but still they are trying to learn how to breed..` no offence i just want to voice out my opinion

 

[SRC]

I think people are just tired of repeating themselves. Because when they don't..then the new person(s) start threads complaining about people not "helping" them..when they could have taken the initiative and helped themselves.

If the shoe doesn't fit you..then it wasn't meant for you...so don't get all mad when someone says something about certain issues. If you aren't doing what's being talked about..it doesn't pertain to you.

If people would use the SEARCH feature less people would get irritated, the questions people ask could be answered simply by typing that question in the search menu..which would eliminate the need for starting 20 threads in one week about.."what do I feed my fish to get them to breed" or "I just bought 2 fish from walmart, can I breed them?".

I still feel most people tend to be lazy..and feel they "deserve" the answers be given to them..instead of worked and found themselves.

(this does not apply to sick fish)

 

[wwestar2000]

No one who has done their research will ask some of the questions that are constantly coming up here.

There is one "breeder" on here now that says he was told by members of this board to condition his breeding pair on flake, pellets and bloodworms and had been conditioning them for two weeks. I found a post two days before of him asking where to find bloodworms and being told by another member that flakes and pellets were not enough to condition his fish. Now he's upset because his fish aren't spawning.

Maybe if he'd done his research and listened to the advice he'd asked for and was given . .

But see now your talking about me. I remember that post and took his advice. I then conditioned them with more bloodworms and high qaulity pellets and the flakes in variations. The only thing i was advised on that tread was to include which i did. And u need to read the post correctly The spawn was succesful and i am starting to see fry in the nest. Get your facts straight. And to everyone else who call themselves perfesional bettas breeders you guys think just because you've spawned before you have the right to be harsh to first time spawners. If you want respect from the people you bombard with aligations stop doing it. It afends us that we ask something like where could i get bloodworms and you go into tank size blah blah blah. And Say you would know this if you researched. And you wonder why people lash out at you guys.

 

[Tokis-Phoenix]

If people would use the SEARCH feature less people would get irritated, the questions people ask could be answered simply by typing that question in the search menu..which would eliminate the need for starting 20 threads in one week about.."what do I feed my fish to get them to breed" or "I just bought 2 fish from walmart, can I breed them?".

I still feel most people tend to be lazy..and feel they "deserve" the answers be given to them..instead of worked and found themselves.

(this does not apply to sick fish)

I have to agree with you there about the search engine, and in particular, the pinned artciles at the top of the betta section.
If these first time betta breeders have actually researched their fish properly and adequetly, they would find that practically every single question of theirs can be answered in the pinned artcile section.
Bettas aern't my main area of knolege but livebearers are and i can tell you that it is no different with people trying to breed livebearers than it is bettas, except i would say the situation tends to be more dire with livebearer breeders due to the notion that they are "beginner fish" so they tend to get mistreated a heck of a lot more bettas, especially when it comes to breeding as most people who get livebearers tend to be beginners in the fish keeping hobby themselves.
So basically, experienced betta breeders, i feel your irritation and annoyance when it comes to first time breeders, but just try to hold back to urge to have a go at the newbs to betta breeding as they are more likely to listen to you if you talk to them as equals in a sense...

 

[eudielynn]

Oh, I see, it wasn't you that said the spawning wasn't going so well And that people on this forum had told you the wrong information Maybe you better reread your own posts.

I don't breed bettas by the way. I'm smart enough to know that I don't have the knowledge to do so. I didn't ask you any questions at all. I just read your post and realized you were contradicting yourself.

I don't plan on getting into another debate or argument so I am leaving this thread.

 

[OrkyBetta]

My personal opinion is, I don't breed. I won't breed. have you seen all the bettas lfs's have that rot on the shelves? If I ever wanted 500 fish, it would be easier and cheaper to buy more fish. I have nothing against the great breeders who produce wonderful fry on this forum, because these fish get great homes. But most bettas from LFS will have fry that's hard to sell, much les give away.

Just my opinion!

 

[BettasRFriends]

Ooooh I'm not upset at all . I was just wondering that's all. Well thanks for replyin guys cause I just need some opinions. Have a good day

 

[OohFeeshy]

TBH, I think you might as well ask. If they haven't done it, you've helped, they get a more successful spawn and happier, healthier babies etc. Whereas if you don't ask and they haven't, you'll feel bad after you find out where they went wrong, which by then will be too late really. And if you ask and they have, as long as you don't get rude about asking, they won't mind.