Finally know what my fish is!
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Cool. And she breeds with an oscar? Got any pics of the babies? 
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She's about 5 or 6"caspercanuck said:
. Her growth has slowed down quite a bit, so I'm not expecting her to get much more than 8" tops (which would be 10" if she actually had a caudal peduncle, hah.)Um... no. That would be impossible. I said she thinks they're a mated pair, not that they actually breed. They can't agree on a place to lay the eggs for one thing, and for another they're not closely related enough to produce viable offspringwwestar2000 said:Cool. And she breeds with an oscar? Got any pics of the babies?
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Im not trying to start anything but that fish seems to be a Red Devil/Midas Hybrid to me with a deformed tail. That website is way off IMO. I cant really see blood parrot in it. Maybe the LFS just labeled it that to make more cash?
The "Koi Parrot" just looks like a young barred midas to me whitch just hasnt got its color yet, I really cant see this fish being the same as yours.
The "Koi Parrot" just looks like a young barred midas to me whitch just hasnt got its color yet, I really cant see this fish being the same as yours.
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If midas/red devils really are one of the parental species of BPs, then backcrossing a BP to one would result in a fish that looked very much like a midas/red devil and much less like a BP... this applies to pretty much all hybrid animals. After all, the hybrid's genes are then 75% from one species.
She was sold as a BP, and since I've never heard of midas/red devils being bred tailless, it only makes sense to assume she is hybrid BP. If I'm not mistaken, the gene for taillessness is dominant, so it would only take one backcross to achieve a fish like Marie
She was sold as a BP, and since I've never heard of midas/red devils being bred tailless, it only makes sense to assume she is hybrid BP. If I'm not mistaken, the gene for taillessness is dominant, so it would only take one backcross to achieve a fish like Marie
Ok, I have read even further into it now, and i was horrified but what I have found Your fish was in fact bred with a tail, but chopped at a very young age there were a whole bunch of these going around untill the word got out about what was going on. Your fish doesnt have one single drop of Blood Parrot in it, It seems as though the LFS has just said it to hide about what really happened to it. I have alot of pictures now but it is somthing you do not wish to see at all, I found a forum that was bashing the hell out of a whole saler who was selling them and belived to be the one who was giving them the chop as well. If its done at a very young age the fin somtimes grows around the body and joining makeing it look like the rear end of a Saratoga and Arowana, others just look plain and simple that there tails were chopped off like when a dog loose's its tail.
Dont feel bad though, at least your one is in a loving and careing home now, the others seem to have been killed or died because the word got around about this and everyone stopped buying them.
It really bugs me that people can be so cruel to animals, I also found some pictures on a site related to the one above. They were breaking the backs of young Parron (spelling?) Sharks, makeing them a "dwarf" fish whitch is disgusting, the fish's tail fin was alot higher than the rest of its body, this was also done at a very young age and they were breaking its back just enough for it to heal but not grow to large.
I also just found a picture of a Barramundi as well whitch seems to have had the same thing done to it. Why cant our gov's just put a ban on this sort of thing for good? and if they are found doing it again then they are no longer allowed to sell any sort of animal?
Your fish was in fact bred with a tail, but chopped at a very young age there were a whole bunch of these going around untill the word got out about what was going on. Your fish doesnt have one single drop of Blood Parrot in it, It seems as though the LFS has just said it to hide about what really happened to it. I have alot of pictures now but it is somthing you do not wish to see at all, I found a forum that was bashing the hell out of a whole saler who was selling them and belived to be the one who was giving them the chop as well. If its done at a very young age the fin somtimes grows around the body and joining makeing it look like the rear end of a Saratoga and Arowana, others just look plain and simple that there tails were chopped off like when a dog loose's its tail. Dont feel bad though, at least your one is in a loving and careing home now, the others seem to have been killed or died because the word got around about this and everyone stopped buying them.
It really bugs me that people can be so cruel to animals, I also found some pictures on a site related to the one above. They were breaking the backs of young Parron (spelling?) Sharks, makeing them a "dwarf" fish whitch is disgusting, the fish's tail fin was alot higher than the rest of its body, this was also done at a very young age and they were breaking its back just enough for it to heal but not grow to large.
I also just found a picture of a Barramundi as well whitch seems to have had the same thing done to it. Why cant our gov's just put a ban on this sort of thing for good? and if they are found doing it again then they are no longer allowed to sell any sort of animal?
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Actually, no, my fish does not have a cropped tail, though I am well aware of the practice. "Sweetheart", or tailless, blood parrots originally popped up as a random mutation (someone on this forum has a tailless angel; same thing) and once breeders realised there was a market for this, some began cropping the tails of their fish to make sales.... However, the tailless trait seems to be a dominant mutation and is thus easily bred for, so you can get fish who where born tailless as well. These fish are easily recognisable, as their back ends are much smoother and their scale pattern is not at all disrupted. Personally, I think tailless fish shouldn't be bred for OR artifically created by tail cropping, but Marie was definitely born exactly the way she is today. Fish with cropped tails almost always have a gap at the back where the caudal peduncle used to be (I have seen this in person, and it's obvious in the pic you posted,) but as you can see in the pics of Marie, she has no such gap and her dorsal and anal fins meet perfectly at the back... no scarring or disrupted scale pattern. This is true for every last one of her 7+ siblings the LFS received in their shipment.
My LFS didn't say anything to "hide" anything, just FYI. I get very defensive about that LFS because it is wonderful and the owner (and sole employee) is a fishkeeper herself. She doesn't know everything about fish, of course, and her main focus is saltwater so her info on freshwater species is sometimes a little off, but she doesn't mislabel them just to make sales, especially to a loyal customer such as myself.
Anyway, Marie was a "rescue" of sorts, yes. I don't support breeding for deformities like missing tails, nor do I support the dyeing of fish (Marie was dyed blue when she first arrived at the shop, but God only knows why, right? She's gorgeous as-is,) but my LFS owner doesn't normally sell dyed fish and wasn't informed that the fish were dyed when she ordered them, and once she said she wasn't planning to reorder the tailless variety since they weren't selling well, I figured why not? Might as well give a little gimpy cutie a good home
My LFS didn't say anything to "hide" anything, just FYI. I get very defensive about that LFS because it is wonderful and the owner (and sole employee) is a fishkeeper herself. She doesn't know everything about fish, of course, and her main focus is saltwater so her info on freshwater species is sometimes a little off, but she doesn't mislabel them just to make sales, especially to a loyal customer such as myself.
Anyway, Marie was a "rescue" of sorts, yes. I don't support breeding for deformities like missing tails, nor do I support the dyeing of fish (Marie was dyed blue when she first arrived at the shop, but God only knows why, right? She's gorgeous as-is,) but my LFS owner doesn't normally sell dyed fish and wasn't informed that the fish were dyed when she ordered them, and once she said she wasn't planning to reorder the tailless variety since they weren't selling well, I figured why not? Might as well give a little gimpy cutie a good home
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Synirr
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I know you didn't mean to be rude... this exact same thing came up in the very first thread I made with a picture of Marie in it, lol. Trust me, I'm just as horrified as you are about the tail cropping thing, but like I said, Marie was simply bred for the trait... I don't approve of that either, but it's a little less horrifying, at least
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Wow! The koi parrot is beautiful
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wow very nice parrot synirr, iv nvr seen one like that, i think i like yous alot better than the solid colorations 
Now I want one
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Thanks Travis, I adore her. 
Good luck finding one like her though, I've only ever seen them in two places, both of which have the same supplier. I've got a feeling the spawn might have been a fluke or experiment, since I've never seen any others show up after that one batch.
Good luck finding one like her though, I've only ever seen them in two places, both of which have the same supplier. I've got a feeling the spawn might have been a fluke or experiment, since I've never seen any others show up after that one batch.
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