Filters

there is no 2 ways about it eheim make the best filters
they will last as long as your interest in the hobby
i would feel the same regardless of which fish i keep
 
Yeh we could argue untill the cows come home :) at the end of the day, see what suits your price band, if you can comfortably afford an eheim then it would be good to do so, if tetra are more in your bracket then there a reasonable alternative :good:
 
your 100% right its all about price

all filters do sort of the same job its just how reliable they are that sets them apart
 
I admitedly have no proof of how much each unit costs, but if they are the type of thing that can be mass manufactured by robotics, and the only people needed are those doing quality control at the end, and those that are driving in the raw materials. Even at German wages, wage costs aren't exactly going to be sky high. I would not take long to check each filter, so lettas assum these guys are unrealisticaly expencive, and they take a £1 contribution from each filter on the way out. That laves £9 for the other materials. Plastic will cost mebe another 50p at bulk buying cost, leaving £8.50 for the relatively small amounts of metal in the product, and as contributions towards overheads.
Granted these are all hearsay, but if you think about economies of scale and robotical production lines, it isn't unrealistic to make the assumption that each unit costs £10-15 to make :good:

Take another Greman manufacturing company Juwel Aquarium. I've visuited their factory, and I can tell you that they simply load the glass and silicone into their machines, and then the robots take over..Out comes completed tanks with the pump boxes already installed. One person per line then QC checks each tank, then they are sent to packaging where another 1 person adds the pump, filter sponges, lid with light pre-installed e.t.c. and robots take over again to complete packaging. A realy impressive operation, but there are as close to no labor costs in the process as is practicaly possible.

The techniques that Juwel have used for a few years now could easily be applied to Ehiems filters, and I'd be suppried if a company as big as Ehiem haven't made the switch to robotics already :good:

All the best
Rabbut

Tosh. If you don't have any actual figures or cost break downs of wages material ect you're merely making up straw man arguments to prove a point. A point that by it's lack of proof is inherently removed from reality.

Robotics are also not cost effective in the way you think they are, as Fluval manufacture most of their range in China, and Eheim have moved production of the classics and Pickup filters to china as well. The ceapest filters such as Jebo aqua one ect are all manufactured in China.

If robotics were a clear cost cutting measure why is it Japanese companies leader in manufacturing robotics continue to build more factories in China? Panasonic sanyo sony ect all mostly manufactured in china now.
 
Well little update went and got my self a classic 2215. took my jewel box off. fitted the hose and pipes...

They forgot to put a sealing ring on the filter!!!!!!!

lol
 
eheim NEVER forget to put anything in the boxes its just were shops take stuff out of the boxes to give to people a spares then forget to put them back in

one thing i will say is the classic is a good filter but that sealing ring can be a pain to get seated when closing the filter
 
I love the way people treat Eheim as the holy grail. They built their reputation on the classic canister filter and yes it is a proven reliable design but their newer products don't have such a spotless reliability record (the ecco's have priming handle problems and the ones with the built in heaters have a lot of problems too). All these new designs are just as unproven as Tetratec, or the new Fluval designs. By your reasoning you will have to wait 10 years and see if the new pro eheims are still working perfectly.

You ask for proof of the eheim manufacturing cost yet you state that a filter will not last 10 years based purely on the retail cost with no proof either. If you had a good experience of a brand in the past of course you will be loyal in future, doesn't mean that other brands are inferior though.

As a side point I would rather have two Tetratec filters than one Eheim filter (for the same total cost) as you have far better safety with two filters than one, no matter how reliable the one filter is.
 
I love the way people treat Eheim as the holy grail. They built their reputation on the classic canister filter and yes it is a proven reliable design but their newer products don't have such a spotless reliability record (the ecco's have priming handle problems and the ones with the built in heaters have a lot of problems too). All these new designs are just as unproven as Tetratec, or the new Fluval designs. By your reasoning you will have to wait 10 years and see if the new pro eheims are still working perfectly.

Thats why i went for the Classic :) no trills but gets the job done and not to badly priced
Is only a few mm big to fit under the shelf lol
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You ask for proof of the eheim manufacturing cost yet you state that a filter will not last 10 years based purely on the retail cost with no proof either. If you had a good experience of a brand in the past of course you will be loyal in future, doesn't mean that other brands are inferior though.

I love how you acribe inane arguments to me when I have never stated them: "yet you state that a filter will not last 10 years based purely on the retail cost with no proof either." Try again. I asked one thing where is the proof of 10 pound per unit manufacturing cost?
 
As a side point I would rather have two Tetratec filters than one Eheim filter (for the same total cost) as you have far better safety with two filters than one, no matter how reliable the one filter is.
What a good argument let's look at the prices: [URL="http://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/fish/filters...anister_filters"]http://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/fish/filters...anister_filters[/URL]

Tetratec EX 1200 für 200 - 500 Liter Aquarien
Our Price 84.99

Eheim2028 600 litres Our Price 129.99

Eheim Classic 2217 600 litres Our Price 65.99

Wait........ :blink:

How can you buy 2 Tetratec's with 129 or 65 when each tetratec costs 84 pds?
 
As a side point I would rather have two Tetratec filters than one Eheim filter (for the same total cost) as you have far better safety with two filters than one, no matter how reliable the one filter is.
What a good argument let's look at the prices: <a href="http://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/fish/filters...anister_filters" target="_blank">http://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/fish/filters...anister_filters</a>

Tetratec EX 1200 für 200 - 500 Liter Aquarien
Our Price 84.99

Eheim2028 600 litres Our Price 129.99

Eheim Classic 2217 600 litres Our Price 65.99

Wait........ :blink:

How can you buy 2 Tetratec's with 129 or 65 when each tetratec costs 84 pds?

Im not really joining this arguement, just pointing out that you can get the EX1200 for £69.99 online :)
 
I paid £59.99 for my Tetratec EX1200.

Anyway you can't compare one Eheim 2028 to two Tetratec EX1200's because that doesn't give the same amount of filtering power. Two Tetratec EX1200's have roughly the same filtering power as an Eheim 2080 (£230 on that website). In fact you can buy THREE Tetratec EX1200's (at £70 best price) for less than the cost of one Eheim 2080, and that is a much better safety margin.

I apologise for confusing your post with another persons :good:
 

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