Eheim 2213 Value ?

[minnnt]

The deal with the aps filters is that some of them have under half the stated flow... You get what you pay for. The hoses are a little weak too.

The deal with the aps filters is that some of them have under half the stated flow... You get what you pay for. The hoses are a little weak too.

 

[moochy13]

even half the 1400 lph would match anything else ive been looking at. bearing in mind the TT is rated at 700 without media. when you say hose do you mean teh actual plastic piping, or the connectors on top of the filter ?

 

[minnnt]

Piping.

 

[Juggler75]

I couldn't get the 2215 impeller into the 2213. Good to know 2217 impeller fits though. My dad has the aps 2000 ef and loves it if that helps. Remember that till end of nov, the code for 15% off is leaves-15 on the aps website

 

[moochy13]

Piping.

im assuming i could reuse my current piping or buy some better quality stuff. if thats the only problem i might go for it. decisions decisions. i suspect my decision will rest on if anything interesting comes up on ebay. if im spending 60 quid for example, id rather get 60 quids worth of second hand better quality filter than a brand new filter thats only 60 quid.

juggler - is your dads filter quiet, as in 'not in a cupboard but in a bedroom' quiet ?

 

[Juggler75]

Piping.

im assuming i could reuse my current piping or buy some better quality stuff. if thats the only problem i might go for it. decisions decisions. i suspect my decision will rest on if anything interesting comes up on ebay. if im spending 60 quid for example, id rather get 60 quids worth of second hand better quality filter than a brand new filter thats only 60 quid.

juggler - is your dads filter quiet, as in 'not in a cupboard but in a bedroom' quiet ?

It's about as quiet as the 2215, which isn't as silent as the 2213 I was using, but I think that is due to it needing a new impeller (the 2215 that is), at least I think it needs a new impeller as it is producing a slight grinding noise, but I got it free so not complaining.

The aps filter I can't hear in its cabinet but can hear a 'slight' drone when opening the door to clean it out etc. Though that is the largest one, I've heard reports of some being silent and some droning but that might be the difference in media used, my dad's has all the media that it came (minus carbon and polishing pads) and has the gaps filled with cut to fit pond sponges, eheim ehfi sub and pot scrubbers.

My friend has a 1000ef and uses that in bedroom and that is near silent.

There will be some on here with the 1400 surely, who can tell you about that one.

 

[Juggler75]

There has been a few discussions over aps filters such as this one http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?/topic/374608-does-this-look-like-a-good-filter/page__p__3134470__hl__%2Ball+%2Bpond+%2Bsolutions__fromsearch__1#entry3134470 in last few months at least, have a read through and maybe pm posters for updates?

 

[walkers101]

I run both a aps 2000lph and 1400lph and love them the flow is amazing if you keep them clean and i have only today modded mine and got rid of the awful spraybars

the claims of half flow are rubbish if you keep them clean (i clean mine twice a month)

the hoses are far from weak, they are very flexable and have a good thickness on them

these 2 are my third and forth from aps

 

[moochy13]

ok so i just went to a couple of lfs, and the only things in the price range of the tetratecs and APS was 'superfish' filters.

the quality seemed decent, i asked a lot of questions, but to be honest i know the guy who runs the shop is a bit economical with the truth, to say the least. really i just wanted to measure them up. i checked out a 1000 LPH one (mid-range), rated for 400l tanks, it was 70 quid with all the gubbins, and would fit nicely. the inside was nicely designed, with 3 baskets and a 'cartridge' of 3 different sponges, and everything felt pretty sturdy. the only thing that put me off, other than re-checking what was a similar price and not knowing the brand, was the outlet pipe. heres the filter

superfish filter

basically, this is how it is at the moment with the eheim :

its the best i can do with regards to surface agitation, even with my bodge bit of pipe to lever the outlet up a bit more. the outlet that came with the superfish filter would mean i would lose my surface agitation, or as it was on a swivel, the outlet would be pumping water pretty much down the centre of the tank, but be nearer the surface. ideally i want the water to be running along the back of the tank, to the inlet pipe at the opposite end, but still agitating the surface. so, couple of questions :

the filter brand - whats the score with these ?

those with TT and APS - will the bits with the filters give me a decent solution with regards to agitation and inlet position. the pipe has to come through the existing hole really.

apologies for the continued deliberation, i appreciate your patience guys.

so these are now my 3 budget options - TT EX700, the superfish one, and the an APS one, either the 1400lph or 1000lph. Walkers101, i tried to pm you to get the size of the APS 1400 plumbed up, but it wouldnt let me pm you. my only other concern is whether going from my 2213 to something of the size im looking at will make much difference in the real world, regardless of the stats.

 

[minnnt]

Don't get the APS 1000 what ever you do. I have just bought one and it is useless. The flow is terrible. The filter is great though.

The APS and TetraTECs both come with spray bars so surface agitation won't be an issue at all with these.

 

[moochy13]

i have recieved my ex1200. fits perfectly in the gap, everything looks good. just wondering what you're putting in the trays ?

bottom to top ive been given :

hula hoops, no sponge
bioballs, no sponge
black sponge x 2
black sponge, filter floss

im guessing the 3rd tray is where i can get creative, would adding another filter floss in there affect anything ? i have lots of debris floating in my tank and want rid of it.

edit - also, its quite noisy. ive been giving it a little shake and unplugging it like it says in the book, no good though. dont know if this video is any good, sound wise ?



heres another, taken literally 2 minutes ago, the other video was from this afternoon.



i know you cant see anything, but you can sort of assume when the camera is close to the filter. im sort of just hoping it will sort itself overnight, but if not whats going on ?

 

[minnnt]

What kind of noise is it?

In the 3rd tray you could move the black sponge from the 4th tray and then add something like Purigen or more Floss. The more media you add will obviously slow the flow a little and floss even more so. I seem to think you are missing a black sponge from the bottom tray and there should also be some carbon bags in the top tray... not that they matter.

 

[moochy13]

A sort of humming rumbling. Can you not hear it in the video? It sounds like trapped air i think, but i couldnt seem to get rid of it. I quickly learnt not to pump the start button while its full hahaha. The bottom 2 trays are brimmed with media.

Ive just set my eheim up round my mates, and its making the same noise, loud humming. It used to run quieter than mechanical plug timers i had. This was what i was hoping for.

 

[moochy13]

A better way to describe the sound might be a loid hum with a slight rattle

 

[moochy13]

i emptied my filter today to start 'from scratch' priming wise. couple of questions :

the top handle, please tell me that wasnt meant to be used when moving the water filled filter? its pretty flimsy and creaky.

can the water be removed without having to take everything out of the filter ?

my bioballs in the second tray, when i took the 3rd tray out, they obviously all floated out of the tray to the surface of the water. maybe there should be a sponge on top of them to keep them in place ?

the 3rd tray has 2 sponges, so maybe take one out and move it so i have 2 trays with half the bio balls and a sponge each ?

just thinking out loud here, trying to work out whats best. id still like another filter floss and maybe some purigen stuff. reducing the flow because of floss is no big deal, its quite considerable as it is in my small tank.

so im thinking :

bottom tray - rings
2nd tray - bioballs and coarse sponge
3rd tray - bio balls and coarse sponge
top tray - purigen and as much floss as i can fit in without badly affecting flow.