Does The Loch-ness Monster Exist?

[Heather.]

something has to bring tourists into scotland

that'd be the kilts

Lol.. Or the Whiskey..!! Och aye

 

[Joemuz]

There must be something somewhere in the world (not saying scotland) where there is a creature no one knew existed, loch ness must have some creature unknown................*jaws theme*...................................

Cheers, Joemuz

 

[SJ2K]

why invoke it? Why not just assume that Nessie follows the same rules that 99.9% (or more!) of all creatures follow?

Because that would single out the possibility that its one of the .1%?

And about the whole "I think its dead now"...Hate to burst the bubble but id notice a 200 ton elephant corpse washed up on shore We need bodies to proov that idea.

Is the monster real? Why not Makes the lake more interesting ey?

 

[andywg]

I propose the below.

First I will address the assumption on your part "It would have to eat a lot every single day to remain alive..." This is unfounded and unsupported. Large reptiles often go long periods of time without eating. For instance many large adult Nile Crocadiles eat but once a year with the migration of the Water Buffalo. In a hot environment, the metabolism is increased. In a cooler environment (i.e. that of the Loch) the metabolism is decreased, thereby reducing consumption.

The fatal flaw missed in your proposition which appears not to have been covered is the similarity between the size and weight of a crocodile and a water buffalo. Are you seriously suggesting that once a year some giant prey animal crosses the loch and gets swallowed? Surely that would be noticed?

Also, ther eis nothing of that size that has ever been spotted in the loch, so what nessie feeds on is still a valid question. One of the most effective fish at catching prey and being able to live off the energy of said prey is exhibited in the frogfish which absorb almost all the nutrients of a fish. Even these fish need to feed in the order of once every 2-3 months. And this is from a fish that often moves so little as to be thought of as almost sessile by many divers.

 

[treelo]

i thought that lochs all had channels out into the ocean as well

im sure ive read that(not in this thread)

so that would mean if there was something it could basically disappear for large periods of time


i will however go with the legend that something was once in there, and it has now become extinct

i also love how people these days look at photograp[hs and claim they are doctored and fake, but it must have been pretty hard to photoshop photos back when they were taken

 

[andywg]

i also love how people these days look at photograp[hs and claim they are doctored and fake, but it must have been pretty hard to photoshop photos back when they were taken

But there were many other ways to doctor a photo before photoshop. Life did exist before the 1980s, you know?

From wiki

Before computers, photo editing was done by retouching with ink, paint, double-exposure, piecing photos or negatives together in the darkroom, or scratching Polaroids

...

Photo editing is as old as photography itself

 

[Bignose]

why invoke it? Why not just assume that Nessie follows the same rules that 99.9% (or more!) of all creatures follow?

Because that would single out the possibility that its one of the .1%?

This isn't the way science works -- Hey! all the way back to the same topic as at the beginning of the thread! -- Without any kind of evidence to assume otherwise, you go with the most likely and most logical conclusion. The phrase extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence comes to mind, again. Sure, there are a few creatures on earth that don't eat very often, but the overwhelming majority of creatures, spanning all families and types, do need to eat pretty frequently.

Again, I'll go through the same spiel: could science be wrong about this? could any or all of these suppositions and guesses be right? Absolutely. But, without any kind of evidence to support them, they are nothing but guesses and silliness and fun. And they definitely aren't science. Science goes with the most likely outcome, and considering the paucity of the evidence to date, there is no other logical conclusion to draw than Nessie doesn't exist.

 

[Bignose]

i also love how people these days look at photograp[hs and claim they are doctored and fake, but it must have been pretty hard to photoshop photos back when they were taken

The soviets used to edit pictures of Stalin all the time:
http/www.newseum.org/berlinwall/commissa...ishes/index.htm

Here's an article from a 1940's magazine on how to doctor your photographs:
http/photo.net/bboard/big-image?bboard_upload_id=37771684

Finally, just look at any of Ansel Adams' old photos (Google Images brings up a lot).

Photoshop certainly made it easier, but as andy's quote said, editing photos is as old as photography itself.

 

[rabidric]

Has anyone ever put forward the idea that the monster could be a massive sturgeon, which got even more exagerated in the reports. They certainly get very large and have been caught in this country. I'm not suggesting that it is but it would answer some of the questions. They certainly have the right sort of shape to their dorsal areas and tail (it could look like a head in poor light) and if someone had never seen one who knows what they might think. I have heard some strange stuff simply stood in the local WoW when people see one for the first time. Also being migratory it may explain why they don't show up when you go looking for them.

 

[The-Wolf]

I still say it is an alien visitor and ask you lot to prove me wrong

 

[andywg]

I still say it is an alien visitor and ask you lot to prove me wrong
Were this not the science section, I would take the jest more likely, but the simple fact is that proving a negative is hard, if not impossible, to do.

Therefore, before anyone can believe it is an alien, you must prove that premise to us.

 

[fall-apart-dave]

The only monster from Scotland that I know of lives in Number 10 Downing Street and is called Gordon.

I thought the original pic was that of an elephant swimming, using it's trunk as a snorkle? Despite this, and despite my not ACTUALLY believing in it, I think it's a lovely story and a great legend, and I will be telling my daughter the story when she's old enough to understand. I love legends like that, I think they are great!

 

[Joemuz]

Are you lot still on this topic lol i thought it would be a bit of a joke creating it but its actually quite intresting now

 

[mlawson]

Are you lot still on this topic lol i thought it would be a bit of a joke creating it but its actually quite intresting now

Erm no, the last post was on Novemeber 24th, precisely 2 months ago.

 

[PlecMama]

I am usually all about science and having things proved.

However, with the Loch Ness Monster.....I like the idea, so I am going to go with the "Why not" school of thought. No one proved it was there, no one proved it wasn't. So it might be. And I think it should be.

It's harmless and charming. It's not hurting anyone, it's good for local business, it makes a nice story and it allows for a little magic to still exist in the world. Nessie exists because we want her to exist.

I can see that finding her would be of major significance, so they have to keep looking - but I wish they wouldn't. Proving she isn't there would only make the world a little duller.