Diabetics Anonymous....

[Curiosity101]

is its genetic yes and been over weight
can trigger it but how come the others
arnt and the have type 2 as well i will
never understand this condition so will
having the bypass help me sort my condition
out i know its not an over night thing but
will it help

I'm neither a doctor nor an expert... so don't take this as 100% fact cause I could easily be wrong... but...

Type 1 - insulin dependant - is more genetically based, but it isn't cut and dry. It's not a case of 'If you have a mutation in 'blah' then you WILL have diabetes type 1' There are other factors than contribute to suceptability.

Type 2 - insulin resistant - Is a much larger mix of lots of genetic factors aswell as environmental things. So say you had lots of genetic changes but were of normal weight, you could still develop type 2. In the same way you could only have maybe one or two genetic changes but be over weight and so develop it in that way instead.

And I'm not sure how or why they'd do a stomach bypass. But if the doctor says you need one and that it'll improve your health. Then I'd go with the theory that you need one and it'll improve your healthy!

Well here is basically the starting point of my dissertation if it's any use to you...

http/www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/omim/125853

It's a database online of lots and lots of medical conditions... things like what causes it, how they found out about it, how they treat it... stuff like that. You might have to skirt over the genetic language. But there might be some interesting stuff in there for you to read.
And if you wanted me to try to explain any of it then feel free to PM me and I'll certainly try.

 

[the biffster]

is its genetic yes and been over weight
can trigger it but how come the others
arnt and the have type 2 as well i will
never understand this condition so will
having the bypass help me sort my condition
out i know its not an over night thing but
will it help

I'm neither a doctor nor an expert... so don't take this as 100% fact cause I could easily be wrong... but...

Type 1 - insulin dependant - is more genetically based, but it isn't cut and dry. It's not a case of 'If you have a mutation in 'blah' then you WILL have diabetes type 1' There are other factors than contribute to suceptability.

Type 2 - insulin resistant - Is a much larger mix of lots of genetic factors aswell as environmental things. So say you had lots of genetic changes but were of normal weight, you could still develop type 2. In the same way you could only have maybe one or two genetic changes but be over weight and so develop it in that way instead.

And I'm not sure how or why they'd do a stomach bypass. But if the doctor says you need one and that it'll improve your health. Then I'd go with the theory that you need one and it'll improve your healthy!

they say have the bypass and it will
make me lose weight which in turn will
hopefully over a few years i will stop being
a type 2 diabetic but still wondering
how as people who are only 12 stone have it its
a bit like catch 22 damned if you do and damned
if you don't anyway i have decided that i am going to
have the op if it doesn't sort out the diabetes it will
sort out my weight problem

 

[Curiosity101]

Ah right... I didn't realise you meant you were having a gastric band or whatever fitted.

Well yeah it could well stop you being diabetic.
For example... if your DNA means that your are more likely to get type 2 diabetes from being over weight. Then lowering your weight could reverse the process.

Some peoples DNA probably says 'You WILL get type 2 regardless'.

Some peoples will say 'You would have to be morbidly obese to become diabetic'.

But I think that sort of variation is more applied to type 2 than type 1.

 

[the biffster]

Ah right... I didn't realise you meant you were having a gastric band or whatever fitted.

Well yeah it could well stop you being diabetic.
For example... if your DNA means that your are more likely to get type 2 diabetes from being over weight. Then lowering your weight could reverse the process.

Some peoples DNA probably says 'You WILL get type 2 regardless'.

Some peoples will say 'You would have to be morbidly obese to become diabetic'.

But I think that sort of variation is more applied to type 2 than type 1.

like i say i sort of understand it
good luck in your studying

 

[morgan]

I have had Type 2 Diabetes for 11 years. I am on many tablets but I have had some improvements in the blood test recently. Type 2 runs in my Dad's side of the family. After Xmas I am going to start walking 30 mins every day (I already do 15 each way from the car to work and back again). I looked after my friend's dog for 6 weeks and lost half a stone without eating any less so that sounds like a good way to improve things further. The one drug I have a problem with is Pioglitazone, it makes me very hungry. I would rather not have Diabetes but it's not the worst thing you can get as you get older. Also you get free prescriptions and have your liver and kidney function checked which most people don't. You also get your cholesterol monitored. I take a Statin and an asprin as well. It's a wonder I don't rattle! You do have to take Diabetes seriously otherwise it can be deadly. Keep it in check and you are as healthy as anyone else.

 

[Ludwig Venter]

As I previously mentioned, I suddenly fell back in the lower counts (for no obvious reasons), but last night, I went as low as 3.1...... I know there are some upper level limits, but surely 3.1 is a bit on the low side and should also be cause for concern???.... Anybody know the low limits??

 

[the biffster]

As I previously mentioned, I suddenly fell back in the lower counts (for no obvious reasons), but last night, I went as low as 3.1...... I know there are some upper level limits, but surely 3.1 is a bit on the low side and should also be cause for concern???.... Anybody know the low limits??

i have been down as low as 2.5 before
and i felt like i was about to die

 

[ian]

NICE suggest that the norm is 4 mmol to 8 mmol for a person without diabetes, this is what we use at work. Now there is some debate stretching the upper limits for a diabetic, making 10 mmol normal. Now lower end they will never change.

3.1 is classed as a hypo, you need to keep an eye on your BM's today Lud, pre meal time is always best. Whether you're coming down with something??

 

[AstonN24vantage]

my dad is a bariatric surgeon and apparently he can cure diabetes. its called a gastric bypass. i think anyone who has type 2 (thats the one i know he works on) should look into it. i have heard that he has stopped patient's diabetes before. not sure though.

 

[the biffster]

i am thinking of going
for one but its a big
step and a lot to consider

 

[AstonN24vantage]

it must be a huge step. im not all that sure how it works but i know it is supposed to cure diabetes in 90% of patients. it also helps a ton with obesity. in most patients joint and back pain go away. essential hypertension in 70%, Hyperlipidemia in 70%, Gastroesophageal reflux disease in all patients, and sleep apnea can be affected and snoring can go away. it seems like it cures everything (if only it could), even though i have heard about not so great mortality rates.

 

[AstonN24vantage]

do we use a different unit for sugar levels in the U.S.? i have spoken to people with diabetes and they say regular sugar levels should be 80-120

 

[Curiosity101]

Aston the reason a gastric bypass cures all those things is because it decreases the size of the stomach which practically forces people to loose weight as they physically can't eat enough food to maintain their weight.

Over weight people tend to suffer from various aches and pains and stuff due to the extra joint strain. Less weight = less strain = less pain.

Also alot of cases of type 2 diabetes is brought on by obesity. If people loose weight it can reverse the onset.

 

[AstonN24vantage]

yes but you say sugar levels are like 10 but in us ive heard 80-120 is good. im wondering if us uses same units (km, cm, celcius) for blood sugar.

 

[ian]

Blood glucose is measured in millimoles per litre of blood. This is an international standard now and has been for a few years, the WHO changed it along with the names of Noradrenaline and others. It was measured differently in the US, i haven't a clue how though, but what you're saying rings a few bells.