Coldwater Shoaling Fish, Are there any?

[Opcn]

Id really like to see a 2000 gallon pond with about 1500 white clouds in it and one large sturgeon to keep em on the move

 

[Doggfather]

Do you want me to send photos or not? and I don't know about in America, but in Australia there is definatly a big kind and a little kind. My friend has a big kind they r about 4" and mine r about 2". I've had mine for about 2 years now, and they havnt budged a bit in their length or hieght, except for the littlest one, and he didn't grow much bigger at all.

The only difference between a 'big kind' and a 'small kind' is their age, Australia dosn't have any different kinds compaired to the rest of the world

 

[ryan]

Do you want me to send photos or not? and I don't know about in America, but in Australia there is definatly a big kind and a little kind. My friend has a big kind they r about 4" and mine r about 2". I've had mine for about 2 years now, and they havnt budged a bit in their length or hieght, except for the littlest one, and he didn't grow much bigger at all.

The only difference between a 'big kind' and a 'small kind' is their age, Australia dosn't have any different kinds compaired to the rest of the world

Thanks Dogg, I meant to ask you about that.

 

[Doggfather]

Thanks Dogg, I meant to ask you about that.

great of you to remember ryan

 

[wrs]

Although they may look small now and they are slow growers

actually some commen goldfish do grow really quick. i have had one for three month and when i got him/her, it was only like 1 inch, now its about 4inches. i think thats really quick.

and there are actually small kind of goldfish. They are cold rosey reds and the grow to 3inches. They are a feeder fish, so maybe not everyones herd of them, but where I live their are alot of them.

 

[Opcn]

Sounds like a bit of misguided LFS marketing to me It would take alot of breeding to get fish soo smal from fish so big how big a container did you grow them in? and did they look normal? could they have been bitterlings?

 

[wrs]

they are actually minnos i guess, but they are advertised as goldfish, because they look like them

http/www.fishpondinfo.com/rosies.htm#quick

thats info i found on them. thats probly what he has.

 

[shmeepie]

whats a bitterling?

*Will post pics of fish in next post*

 

[bribones]

whats a bitterling ?

a fish

theres a few types ,ryan knows the details ,

 

[Eelzor]

shmeepie,

I am in Australia too, and when I first had fish, I only started with goldfish too. They are very slow growers and it seems that they don't grow, but they do. When did you start in the fishy business shmeepie? Although you may keep some fish with the goldfish now, when they do grow, you should remove them. So thats another option, you can go ahead with it, just be prapared to move the goldfish in 5-10 years or so, if necessary.

 

[ryan]

Bitterling are a wonderful fish. There are a few species, but the two most commonly seen are Rhodeus sericeus and Rhodeus ocellatus. They are a small relative of the carp. They grow between 2-4" and are peaceful fish for a coldwater tank providing some extra colour. But they are best known for their remarkable breeding relationship with the swan mussel. At spawning time the female bitterling lays a few eggs in the breathing hole of each mussel. The male follows and sprays milt over the same places. The mussel's breathing ensures that the eggs are fertalised and get plenty of oxygen during the next three to four weeks. When the young Bitterlings come to leave their adopted parent, they are fully equipped to swim. These fish are easy to feed, in breeding season the males will turn wonderfully colourful, providing the temperature rises to around 22C stimulating the start of breeding.
My Far Eastern Bitterling (Rhodeus ocellatus)

 

[ryan]

they are actually minnos i guess, but they are advertised as goldfish, because they look like them

http/www.fishpondinfo.com/rosies.htm#quick

thats info i found on them. thats probly what he has.

Rosy Red Minnows are very very nice fish in their own right and shouldn't be fed as feeders, sad sight when you can't even get them easily over here.

 

[shmeepie]

shmeepie,

I am in Australia too, and when I first had fish, I only started with goldfish too. They are very slow growers and it seems that they don't grow, but they do. When did you start in the fishy business shmeepie? Although you may keep some fish with the goldfish now, when they do grow, you should remove them. So thats another option, you can go ahead with it, just be prapared to move the goldfish in 5-10 years or so, if necessary.

Thats good because my friends are getting me fish for my birthday!

Thanks a heap, i think your one of the most helpful so far...

Oh, by the way, u know how the surface area of a tank indicates how many fish can be in the tank, does having a pump increase the amount of fish you can have?

*Will post pics of fish in next post*

Ok, maybe in the next post...

 

[Cheese Specialist]

shmeepie,

I am in Australia too, and when I first had fish, I only started with goldfish too. They are very slow growers and it seems that they don't grow, but they do. When did you start in the fishy business shmeepie? Although you may keep some fish with the goldfish now, when they do grow, you should remove them. So thats another option, you can go ahead with it, just be prapared to move the goldfish in 5-10 years or so, if necessary. 

Thats good because my friends are getting me fish for my birthday!

Thanks a heap, i think your one of the most helpful so far...

But you will still be overstocked in terms of bioload, and your fish will have no room to grow. *jeez*

Oh and mybe you found that the most helpful because it's more like what you want to hear. I don't agree, the fish will die before that.

 

[shmeepie]

yeh i guess ur right....