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Cloudy Water

Ammonia is definitely falling  ... all good signs it's on it's way now. Carry on as you are ... boring I know 
 
Byron said:
 
I don't understand the high nitrate reading though Byron - from my understanding of cycling tanks the Nitrate reading should be either non-existant or just beginning to show up? Perhaps I have something to learn here too
 
I'm certainly not the expert that some are when it comes to this, but I would surmise that the bacteria seeding probably brought organics with it, and we are seeing increases from more than one source.
 
And another issue is the test itself; if this is the API liquid test now, the nitrate can be off if the regents are not shaken sufficiently.
 
 
AIUI, if the reagents are not shaken correctly, the test would show less than the correct amount, rather than more.
 
GuppieMike said:
New water results

PH 7.6
Hard PH 7.4
Ammonia 0.5ppm
Nitrite 5.0ppm
Nitrate 40/80ppm

Is it meant to be this slow? I'm still adding some food.
 
Sadly, yes it is this slow. Keep going with it, when we start to see the nitrite falling, we're nearly there. I think Byron said it a while back, once the nitrite gets down to zero, with the filter processing the ammonia and nitrite from the fish food, then we add a few fish, and see how the bacteria cope with them.
 
I'd actually advise against adding fish food as a source of ammonia. There is no way of knowing how much ammonia is going to be created by a pinch or two of fish food.

Also the debris of fish food is messy and can create planeria type worms that's unsightly and potentially harmful to small fish and inverts.

Ammonia can easily be found online, off a popular auction site, just type in cycling ammonia, that should yield a few results.

Cloudy eyes in tetras can be a sign if age as Akasha mentions, but could also be from poor water conditions.

Would do large water changes and check water stats.

A water change can be just as good, if not better, than some medications.

That's always my first course of action if anything is amiss in my tanks, test water then large water change.
 
New result, I've left out ph and hard ph as they seem to be consistent.

Ammonia 0/0.25ppm (The colour was close)
Nitrite 2.0ppm
Nitrate 5.0/10ppm again colour was close
 
Can i just ask about fluval filters. I was told when I bought them, that they were the best filters to get however mine start with a strong flow then maybe a day or two later the flow is weak.

Also my blub needs replacing, its a geo sun 60cm however all the shops I go to they only have 61cm, do they not make 60cm anymore?
 
 
AIUI, if the reagents are not shaken correctly, the test would show less than the correct amount, rather than more.
Yes, I learned this the hard way. Luckily no fish were harmed.
 
I have a API test kit, Before using any of the reagents I shake them well, then add them as per instructions, Then I shake the test tube a bit, When I have filled all 4 test tubes shaken them, I go make a cup of coffee then come back to check the results. I let the colours " Develop " My LFS advised me to do it that way, You get more accurate results.
 
I've never had a fluval filter but if it's an external I'd check the pipes - especially if it's brand new. When I got my JBL brand new I had issues with my flow and I found that my pipes were blocking up with brown gunge. I contacted JBL and asked why this was and they told me that the filter pipes are coated in something to stop them drying out and becoming brittle. This coating breaks down gradually once water is flowing through and the gunge that was blocking my pipes was just this coating breaking down. They said it could take up to a year to fully break down and in the meantime to keep flushing the pipes whenever the flow dropped. This was the correct advice as now I rarely clean my pipes and I only clean the course sponges on the filter when I see the flow dropping.
 
It may be that your Fluval is the same. Hope that helps :)
 
My filter is an internal, however I did notice alot of brown goo on my 55ltr filter, cleaned it and did work better for a while.

Is the brown goo not good bacteria?
 
brown gunge is generally good bacteria and it's a fine line between removing it because your flow has dropped and removing too much and affecting the cycle. As I said - I've no experience of Fluval so I don't feel I can help any further. I'll pass this over to someone who has more experience of these filters :)
 
On the fluorescent tube question, I very much doubt there is a 1 cm difference in tubes, assuming both are the same "T" tyupe, i.e., T8 or T5.  Take your existing tube with you and chances are the other will be the same, if both are T5, or T8.
 
To the filter...this is a subject of differing opinions, but my prime goal with filters is to keep the flow which in planted tanks is the important aspect of the filter.  The plants are doing your "filtration," and the substrate is where so much of it occurs.  I rinse my internal Eheim and sponge filters under the tap at every water change.
 
Byron.
 
I wouldn't dream of rinsing sponges under the tap Byron (I think we've had this conversation before? It rings bells) Some water supplies contain too many nasties to contemplate that.
 
Mike, please DON'T wash sponges under the tap. The U.K water is full of c**p that will kill your bacteria.
 
Sorry Byron, don't mean to tread on toes but I had to say it
 
Akasha72 said:
I wouldn't dream of rinsing sponges under the tap Byron (I think we've had this conversation before? It rings bells) Some water supplies contain too many nasties to contemplate that.
 
Mike, please DON'T wash sponges under the tap. The U.K water is full of c**p that will kill your bacteria.
 
Sorry Byron, don't mean to tread on toes but I had to say it
 
Yes we did have a lengthy thread on this, and the scientific evidence is clear that nitrifying bacteria are not killed by chlorine or chloramine.  And even if they were, there are nitrifying bacteria on almost every surface in the aquarium.  And aside from this, I can't imagine what "nasties" could be in your tap water that would harm fish; I assume you would use the tap water for the aquarium.
 
well I've just tried to get water readings from my local company but they're not playing ball. 
 
We'll agree to disagree on this one Byron. I wouldn't wash media under the tap and I'd never advise anyone one else to either. 
 
Akasha72 said:
well I've just tried to get water readings from my local company but they're not playing ball. 
 
We'll agree to disagree on this one Byron. I wouldn't wash media under the tap and I'd never advise anyone one else to either. 
 
No problem here.
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