Can You Help Me I.D This Dog?

hi
well looking at the pics hes whats known as a boxador- boxer crossed with labrador

puppy classes are the best way to train and socialise pups
labs are very intelligent as are boxers both are working dogs and if they become bored they can be very distructive



this is your boy
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he the spitting image of these two
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Wow that is 100% him! especially the second picture!

Just the S.O.B's decided to cut his tail off :(

Any idea how big Boxadors get?
 
Wow, could be the same dog! I don't think you are going to get any closer than that!

Besides the air & shock collars they make them with a squirt of water, or some sort of lemon or other substance mixed in. The one you have sounds pretty nice, self adjusting. The only sort I have any sort of hands on experience with is a really old one which has been in the family for ages. Three levels of shock, that is it. Long ago, being younger (and dumber) I wondered how much it could really shock, only having a 9 volt battery. Of course I put it on the highest level, put two fingers across the electrodes, and tapped the sensor.

Wow, may as well stick my finger in a light socket. I tried level one, a slight tingle. Level two was a bit of a zap, I was not about to try level three again.

You may want to give it a little self test if possible, just to know if this is what you want to expose your dog to. With this old collar we have, the first level would be fine for starts, second would be for a dog with a more severe problem. Level three is designed for a bear or rhinoceros.
 
Haha i might try it on my mates during drinking games :D

Since the pics were posted up i did some research on 'Boxadors' and they seem to be really popular.

Apparently they make ideal pets, get bigger than both parents and can have the resemblance of a great dane (big head, skinny body) and are very excitable at all times (don't i know it!)

I also read they are a bit of a fad in America right now and that breeders are selling them for big bucks as a designer dog...so maybe my £120 was money well spent :D

Its pretty late now and hes just asked me to go to the toilet for the first time..i'm really proud of him!!! hehe I think my partner is finding it hard with him...and my cats certainly are lol! but all reviews seem to be positive other than from 'Mutt Haters'...me personally from a day in his presence can sum him up with this...

Extremely Loving
Lap Dog
Excitable + hyperactive
Pretty
Not Animal friendly!
good with kids and strangers
Always Hungry

Hes also startign to listen to sit alot...although i'm pushing his butt down a lot when im saying it.

He does that boxer annoying jump thing alot which im trying to train out of him to a degree...to only do it when asked ratehr than to everyone who walks past him :p

For 6 months hes pretty big already...hes about 3ft long and pretty heavy, i kinda hope he grows out of the lap dog thing because when he gets bigger it gonna be a nightmare!

I'm really happy with him tho and really appreciate all the help im getting in this thread :)

PS: forgot to add...the tail dock thing is apparently common with Boxadors because they are extremely strong and tend to whip people with great force by accident lol....i don't agree with maming pets...its just as bad as them idiots who cut convict Cichlids up and give them fancy names...but atleast i know why they did.
 
See, he's learning! :good:

He's gone through a lot of changes in his life, in a pretty short time, so things are expected to be somewhat confusing for him. He'll catch on quick, he's learning already.

Enjoy your new friend, as well as your new drinking game toy! :lol:
 
Just a note that I agree with Tolak on the shock collars.

I'd only use them as a last resort, or if I was training the dog to avoid something
Ie. if something has to properly hurt the dog for them to learn to avoid it. Then I'd much rather they had a small shock deterrant instead.

Ps. So jealous, I can't have a dog again for at least 3 years :(
 
Hi, congratulations on your new pup....he's georgous!

I'm not going to tell you not to use a shock collar....BUT....before you do, please try some alternatives first. Squirting with water works....Squirt then give a command such as 'Quiet' in a firm voice or get a bunch of keys and when he barks throw them on the floor next to him, give your command and then send him to his bed.
My rescue dane was an excessive barker when I got him a year ago and the keys worked a treat [a trick recommended by the behavourist from the rescue].
Shock collars should be a last resort....after all he's only a baby still....and your probably just need to let him settle in abit.

Lisa x
 
Squirting with water works....Squirt then give a command such as 'Quiet' in a firm voice or get a bunch of keys and when he barks throw them on the floor next to him, give your command and then send him to his bed.
Not disagreeing with the collar thing, but divegirls suggestion also has merrit.... Before the completion of my kennels when I started the SPCA, I started to take in strays already and they all slept in my kitchen... At one stage,I had 18 dogs (ranging from Rottweiller to maltese poodle) and 22 cats in my house...

When someone entered my gate, (squeaking gate), the first dog would bark and run outside with 17 others following him, and I'd be the 19th one... I merely opened the hose on them and they all ran promptly back into the kitchen... sitting there staring at me when I returned... It quickly put them off barking and none of my neighbors could ever complain about barking from my yard.... even with 18 of them in there.
 
Squirting with water works....Squirt then give a command such as 'Quiet' in a firm voice or get a bunch of keys and when he barks throw them on the floor next to him, give your command and then send him to his bed.
Not disagreeing with the collar thing, but divegirls suggestion also has merrit.... Before the completion of my kennels when I started the SPCA, I started to take in strays already and they all slept in my kitchen... At one stage,I had 18 dogs (ranging from Rottweiller to maltese poodle) and 22 cats in my house...

When someone entered my gate, (squeaking gate), the first dog would bark and run outside with 17 others following him, and I'd be the 19th one... I merely opened the hose on them and they all ran promptly back into the kitchen... sitting there staring at me when I returned... It quickly put them off barking and none of my neighbors could ever complain about barking from my yard.... even with 18 of them in there.

I Agree

Use a Garden Sprinkler thing ( like a cat with water inside witch oyu squirt at them ) my aunty use's them on her dogs when they misbehave!

It works though

Soon sets them straight :)
 
Ah bad times..he didn't calm down at all and the kids were getting hurt (bowled over and dragged down when holding food) so my Mrs ordered that i take him back :( im gutted but i suppose it was for the best.

She promised me i can get another one at some point but she wants something smaller and less boisterous. (he was taller than her when stood up on his back legs and we both have tons of scratches from him)

Any suggestions?

I'm really gutted :( really really gutted :(

Here was a vid of him i made before he went back...i was so fricken sad he didnt want to go back at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao3s1XNY76U

It is nice to get some sleep tho..all the howling and barking and broken stuff during the night was keepign my baby boy awake so i had to sit with the dig all night to keep him quiet.

The cats are back to there old selves now...did take them a day or 2 to come round again.

Miss him big time tho! miss taking him out for walks and stuff.

Good bye my lovable rouge :'(

Haha in case you are wandering i asked them if i could have a percentage of my money back considering i didnt have him for long (and the original women promised i could if it didn't work out) and they said 'F*** off, no chance and you ain't having another dog either' lol i said to the nasty woman in there that maybe she should stick a muzzle on and go and sit in the kennels and that i have a shock collar at home that would suit her.

So if anybody lives in Somerset and is looking to adopt a dog...don't give 'Giles Kennels' the time of day..the dogs are in really bad living arrangements (6ft concrete kennels with metal bars and blankets and never taken out for walks or allowed out of them...there's dog mess everywhere and the staff are seriously rude)

Will go to the RSPCA next time or maybe get a puppy from a private breeder so i know its history.
 
I don't want this to come across the wrong way...

But perhaps you aren't ready for a dog yet? Particularly a puppy. Although very young puppies are obviously smaller, they are still full of a heck of alot of energy. And require alot of time and patience.

The history of the dog shouldn't really come into it THAT much. Unless it has been severely mis treated or taught to be agressive (both things that are normally easy to spot for experienced kennel staff). I would always recommend your first dog being anything from 3years or over.

Like I said I don't want that to come across the wrong way, but I'd put money on that boy being trainable, it's just that he really wasn't right for your family at the moment. So obviously the right decision to take him back, and I really really feel for you. I bet it was horrible.

If I were to recommend any dog for you for the future...I'd say possibly a retired greyhound or one from labrador rescue.
I know lots of people who have had dogs from both and the kennel staff have always dealt with them really well.
:)
 
He could of very well been trainable but i can assure you i would rather be spending Christmas with my partner and 4 children rather than sofa surfing with a dog in tow...i didnt go itno to much detail how bad he really was because i loved him to bits.

It is kinda harsh to be fair..i have never kept a dog before and didnt knwo what to expect, if he wa sa small puppy, then things would of been alot easier....for obvious reasons..

1. He wouldn't be big enough to kill my cats or seriosuly harm my children or partner
2. He wouldn't of been big enough to break the amount of stuff he did

I needed a family dog and from what i was told by the kennels (he is great with kids and cats and other animals and is very friendly and obiediant...and if it dont work out you can have your money back) I assumed he was goign to be perfect, he was the only one on tehre list that didnt have a big warnign sign next to it and it said he woudl suit a small family home with other animals and children...

This dog needs a Farm or something....it needs Teenage kids if anything because he hurt 3 of my Children, the only one he didnt hurt was my oldest boy because he was big enough to stop it.

He hurt my partner...he bowled over my one your old son because he was holding a buiscuit...bbit the buiscuit out of his hand (bitign him in the process) then proceeded to trample on his head and scratch his face in the process.

I'm a realist, Kids first, Pets second.

And more to the point...how the hell do you know if you are 'ready' for a animal until you try it, i see wasters walking there dogs everyday...are you sayign because i care for my family i am not good enough to keep a dog?

Eventually i will get a puppy that i can control and train with my kids and other animals being safe in the process.

I'm sensible...it didn't work out...My Partner was goign crazy so i did something about it.

Are you the type of person to go against there partners wishes and sit back and watch your kids and other animals get hurt? does that make you more worthy to have a dog than me?

Woudl you buy a Oscar...put it in with a group of Neons...then say...ah screw it..let him eat em? then still keep it after it broke your tank and inujurd your kids in the process?

When i went to bed i put Diesel behind 2 stair gates...oen to keep him from the cats, and another to keep him from coming upstairs and disrupting myself and the kids......he smashed these gates to bits, i seen him do it first hand...and he was near injuring himself to get to me....so i locked him in the utility room and put his bed, toys and food in there with him (my utility room is bigger than most peoples bedrooms and is fully carpeted and central heated) and he cracked the window in the doors tryign to get out.

He woudl growl at my partner and push her away from me if she came near me because he was totally hooked on me.

Yes he was cute...yes he was loving and fun..but he was also a nut case and not suitable for my family.
 
Dogs take work, lots of work. They also take time, lots of time. As you said, it was a learning experience, and you really don't know how much work it will be until you are there. Smaller breeds or puppies are no less work. You have to look at the dog as being nothing less than a child as far as time, work, household arrangements, the whole thing. They are not self sustaining, every day is training day, they will be there for every household event. I've done dogs & kids, you have to go into it with a well thought out plan, a backup plan, and everyone on the same page. Kids have unexpected things come up, dogs do as well, and somehow they plan them to all happen at the same time. A ton of work, but the paybacks are tremendous.

I've always had the smaller terriers, for a lot of years. They are independent to the point of being bullheaded. Most any hunting or working breed is easier to train. They are small, but take up just as much time, household riggery when when younger, and research trying to figure out the hows & whys of their behavior. Once you realize they are bred to think independently underground while dispatching quarry that is often larger than them, you are starting to get somewhere. Pound for pound you are getting more tough little dog than you would with a larger one. I had a Cairn that was seconds away from having my mom's Great Pyrenees by the throat, a stupid situation involving my brother & one of his girlfriends, my dog didn't know my mom's dog was in the house, and happened across her. They don't realize their size, and really don't care, be aware of this if you think a smaller breed will be easy.

Yes, my mom, who was 65 at the time, with a great pyr, second owner. This dog took some work. The Siberian Huskey she got as a rescue when she was 74 took a lot more work, same jumping, food stealing and such you described. How does an older woman, with osteo, a bad back and bum ankle make this work? Many years of previous experience, she knows a lot of tricks.

You didn't come away from this empty handed; you gained knowledge. You are at a good starting point. If you look at this forum in that light, many members come here, not knowing a whole lot about how to properly keep fish. They often make mistakes, but learn from them. The people who learn, and use what they have learned to their advantage have success. Use what you have learned from this and you will have success as well if you are thinking about a dog in the future.

Continue with this learning process. This can and should include your entire family. I can think of no better family outing than going to a dog show. I go every year, along with my wife, friends, and kids who are now in their 20's, to the yearly AKC show in Chicago. This is learning along with a lot of fun. Don't tell the kids about the learning part. Talk to people, learn about the many facets of dog ownership, they are just as varied as aquatics.

My two Aussie Terriers are 2 1/2 & 1 1/2, my first internet dogs. I say this because we did about 3 years of research on breeds, breeders, dog training, all of this as my Cairn got older. So much of this was via the internet, there is such a wealth of information out there now. This wasn't available when I got my Cairn, or the Westie & Yorkie before him. I was lucky enough to have plenty of relatives who were into dogs, besides my mom, as well as growing up around this. Several of my uncles were into terriers, I guess that part may be genetic. I got a lot of info from them before anything close to home computers were common.

There is much more than what they ever told me available online now, and some very good explanations of why what they did, and I learned to do works. Access to gear for the dog, training information, reviews and analysis of the various foods available, what is now just a click away is amazing. Spend some time doing research & planning, the same as you probably did for your first child, as it will be just as new an experience. You mentioned 3 kids, and not hurting the oldest, so guessing there is about 3-4 kids. I'll bet you knew a bit more what to expect with the second kid, thanks to experience from the first. The third kid even more so. I'll bet you also know parents who skimped on this planning & research. It really isn't a lot different with dogs.
 
The point really about getting a small dog is..

They are small enough for me to pick up, small enough to put somewhere where they are not heavy enough/strong enough to break things when i want to go bed and small enough not to use my kids are bowling pins :D

The issue with Diesel was..

My Mrs is 5ft tall...and when Diesel stood up on his back legs to jump up at her..he would knock her flying because he was bigger than her! then theres my kids... my eldest is only around 4ft something as he is only ten..the rest are tiny....i was the only person in the house big enough to with stand his constant jumping.

Cos of the jumping (and his weird habbit of grabbing you leg and tripping you over and not letting go) he left me with soem pretty nasty scratchs across my right pectoral muscle...my partners got loads down her back and my 1 year odl has them across his face.

Now my partner has never had animals in her life until she met me...we been together for ten years and it took me 7 years to persuade her to let me have a cat! (i have 3 now! lol ) cos she was terrified of them...she hates fish but she tolerates them....so it took me ten years to persuade her to let me have a dog...she isent keen on Lion Head Rabbits we have outside either that we got last year.

..So with that, as soon as he started wrecking our house (she is obsessively house proud) and hurting us and the kids...as well as our cats...and looked a dead cert to hurt himself pretty soon the way he was going...i had no choice.

I personally wanted to keep him, and i kicked up a massive fuss...huge fuss and it boiled down to...get rid of the dog or leave with it.

She has said i can try again cos she saw how devastated i was about getting rid of him...but she wants soemthign small and manageable that is not goign to jump up with excitement and knock her on the floor every 2 secs.

And yeh..it was all a learnign experience. :)
 
You do have to train a small dog no different than a large dog. If you don't, that small dog will be a little tyrant. Sure, you can pick it up, if you can avoid being bitten. It won't break big things, but it will break what it can reach. This means jumping on the kitchen chair, to the table, to the counter faster than you can ever believe.

My Yorkie, at 6 pounds, could do a leap from a standing start from the floor to the back of an oversize couch, from the back. He could do the counter, he was trained not to. My two today could easily get on the kitchen table, I've seen them play chase in the yard on the plastic furniture, the younger one especially has an amazing vertical leap. They could easily snatch something out of my hand, and will, when I let them.

One especially good reason to teach small dogs not to jump that pertains to guys; the groin shot, 'nuff said.

Any dog, no matter what the size, will take over the house if not properly trained & socialized. A small dog who is snarly is amazingly agile, if you aren't quick you will get bit. Something tells me this would be a real turn off for your family.

Sounds like you have been working hard on selling Mrs CC on your growing group of pets. Without a doubt she is learning as well, sounds very much like my wife & fish. To continue the learning (and selling) there are a couple of books that I have read, reread, and read some more, that are the best two I can recommend. "The Culture Clash", by Jean Donaldson, and "The Power Of Positive Dog Training", by Pat Miller. One is on how dogs think & learn, the other on training.

ATM, my two 14 pound guys are curled up on my wife's feet, keeping them warm, while we are expecting the first flurries of the season. I have yet to meet a woman that does not appreciate warm toes on a cold night. Like I said, a ton of work, but the payoffs are tremendous.
 

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