Can I Get An Oto?

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i know one of the people on this forum recommended maybe 2-3 oto's for somebody with a betta here in another thread.

i have one betta in a 20 gallon tank.. could i add an oto, or two, or three?

someone in the fish store told me no. but i dont know how much i can really listen to those people. from the experiences ive had there so far, i dont care too much for some of the staff.
 
adding another firsh with a betta even with alot of space can be tricky, it really depends on the personality of the betta, some are really good with tank mates, some will chase them mercilie stressing the other fish out eventually leading to the other fishies death.
that being said ottos could be ok in groups of two or more ottos need to have a companion. in my expereince the betta was not fond them and chased them to the point i moved them to another tank.
typically people will try to put cories, i someone mentioned frogs.
the only fish i would say really stear away from are guppies or anything with long fins.
just remember every fish is different and what works for one fish keeper in terms of tank mates does not always work for another.
 
yea, thats too bad, cause i like my betta guy, but i will not put up with him being mean.. he will be the one placed in another tank if he gets mean.. and itll be his little betta box kit thing that i bought for him originally. i dont get the feeling he's enjoying his big 20 gallon tank anyways.

yea, African Dwarf Frog was the ones mentioned.. but has anyone else confirmed this, or discredited it?
 
yea, thats too bad, cause i like my betta guy, but i will not put up with him being mean.. he will be the one placed in another tank if he gets mean.. and itll be his little betta box kit thing that i bought for him originally. i dont get the feeling he's enjoying his big 20 gallon tank anyways.

yea, African Dwarf Frog was the ones mentioned.. but has anyone else confirmed this, or discredited it?
in my opinion with frogs is they are slow and tend to float at the top of the tank. only when a blood worm hits the water will they move. frogs are another one if you get smaller fish or shrimp your frogs will attempt to eat them (they are not that bright)
also may i suggest a breeding net, frogs love to hang out on it and if the betta gets roudy you can put him there, then he can be apart of the tank without hurting the other fish and the breeding net tends to have a bit more room. at least until other arrangements could be made for him.
 
well id much rather to get more fish, rather then frogs. thank you for your replies though.
 
As tibby25731 said, you'll need a mature tank that's been up and running for around a year before thinking of introducing Oto's. Also be aware that they are known for dying for no apparent reason shortly after being introduced to the tank so be extra careful not to stress them out.

P.S. I have 3 Oto's quite happily living with a Betta in a 2ft tank, but all fish have personalities so the only way to really find out if your Betta will accept them is to try it.

Si
 
It all depends on the personality of the fish.. I tried adding otos with Fred and he hated them with a passion.. he even flares at apple snails for goodness sake.. silly fish ^^

However, I was told that if you take the betta out of his tank, add the new fish, then a few hours later but him back in, they are ok with it.. well i did that with miagi and he loves them.. I;ve got 5 pygmy corys, 3 otos in with him and they all get on fine. I've got shrimp and snails in with the other twp of mine aswell..

I would probably go for about 3-4 otos (depending on tank size of course) but no less than 2. same for pygmy corys.. go for 5-7 (4 minimum).
Shrimp are good mates for bettas too.. amano, cherry etc etc. I got mine breeding like rabbits!!! :crazy:

Try one at first, then you don;t waste as much money if your betta does'nt like tank mate.
 
ottocinculus need to be kept in groups of around 6+ 4 at a extreme minimum as they are highly social fish.

they do not tollerate bad water and require a very mature tank with super water. even though i have some algae to eat i still put a lump of cucmber in once a week to fatten them up. its a must IMO.

its a common mistake that adding ottos at the start will stop you from getting algae but this is still incorrect. (thats another matter though) they will eat some algae but not all types, they do eat diatoms quite well but you only tend to get that on a new tank as the silcone leaks ammonia etc with the algae thrives on, however ottos still should not be put in a newly established tank.

amano, cherry etc etc. I got mine breeding like rabbits!!!

i bet your amanos arent breeding. (unless you watch them 24/7 with a salty solution ready.)
 
Fish typically don't seem as likely to harass algae eaters/bottom feeders as they might other types, although it's good you have a back-up plan, as a problem might require a very prompt solution.
As pointed out, other fish need to be settled in the tank prior to the addition, or re-addition, of the betta, as this makes a massive difference to his perception and acceptance of them.
Actually, speaking as a non-expert, and stating an opinion based on personal experience and reading only; while this is excellent advice given above and a mature tank running 6 months to a year may be ideal, it would seem, at least in my case and some others, that stable, well-planted conditions and an algae supply will do.
(However, the tank in which my original otos were first placed was set up in the path of light of two different sets of windows, and only the plant mass prevented really annoying algal overgrowth.)
I'd also like to point out that although 6 or more otos may be ideal, this can't always be managed, as it's recommended that 5 gallons be allowed per oto to ensure adequate algae, so that this would prevent anyone unable to manage anything under a 30 gallon from having any.
Honestly, I think they're better off in a planted tank with suitable algae present (they can't rasp off things like hard green spot algae and need the soft, green stuff - I leave lights on extra-long in their tanks to encourage growth of this type) than quite possibly starving in a store tank with none.
Otos have a reputation for being delicate, however they're apparently often captured roughly/with the use of damaging chemicals prior to suffering stressful shipping and typically are then placed in a clean sales tank with little or no suitable food - little wonder the poor little guys apparently often don't make it.
I suspect the first otos I bought were tank bred, as they were hardy little guys, and I'm glad I didn't hear about their supposed delicacy until a year or two after purchase - even then it made me nervous, although they'd been fine throughout the time before I'd heard this.
I bought three skinny little guys from a pet store to join the survivor of that pair (after some months nailchewing wait as I was unable to figure out why one had abruptly died and needed to ensure that the other wasn't at risk or contagious) lost one of these who clearly wasn't doing well and, sadly, never even tried to feed, although the others steadily livened and fattened up, and recently bought 5 big, beautiful, healthy otos from a home basement-store seller to divide among two tanks, so that I now have 5 in my 25 gallon and 3 in a 15.
I expect this may be considered cruel by some, although they seem happy enough, and the difficulty often encountered in getting otos to eat anything other than algae (one of mine will eat cucumber in a pinch, others seem to ignore all veg., although the newest otos eat spirulina pellets the rest won't touch) is a bigger concern to me than the numbers, although I'd certainly love to have herds.
Of course, if the eggs and fry weren't apparently so tasty to other fish, I'd have tons.
It seems as though everyone breeds for party snacks...

P.S. - Amano's, as well as Cherries, will breed like bunnies, the problem is that the Amano young do need to be transferred into salty water...
But there's also a look-alike version of Amano which can breed succesfully in freshwater, and I'd much rather have those myself.
And I don't see why those aren't regularly sold.
 
[/quote]i bet your amanos arent breeding. (unless you watch them 24/7 with a salty solution ready.)
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I started with 5, and on last count I;ve got 14.. so unless the shrimp fairie came along in the night and plopped some more in, then I guess they might be breeding....
 
You are so lucky - you got the freshwater ones - they're apparently otherwise identical to Amanos and I wish I could get some!
They're such gorgeous shrimp!
 
You are so lucky - you got the freshwater ones - they're apparently otherwise identical to Amanos and I wish I could get some!
They're such gorgeous shrimp!

I;ve got some really odd looking chery shrimp too.. they vary in colour from deep blood red to a kind of orange colour... then i saw one the other day tht was red with white strips :drool: very nice
 
I put in an Oto to clean the algae on my tanks, and it just attacked it straight away, he went for 3 bites. that was enough for me and just put him in the community tank
 

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