Budgies in cages

[Jess]

Its the same with dogs, cats, horses, and especially fish. Most especially Bettas. How many people on here keep bettas in 1/2 gallon bowls because they can? Because the fish can survive in a tiny space. That doesn't mean that they enjoy it, or it is good for them it just means that they are capable of it.

I keep my betta in a 3.5 gallon And he's very happy lol

 

[Opcn]

Just because you own something doesn't mean it needs to be abused or that abuse is excuseable. If I owned a farrari I wouldn't put Deasle in it just because I could.

And WhoTF is talking about releaseing all the animals. I hate it when animal rights activists push for invasive species rights. Hogs dont have a natural habitat ... niether do most budgies as they have been selectively bred and are not the same kind of bird anymore.

 

[aloaring]

Talking about releasing animals has just reminded me of a news story a few years back where animal activists released all the minks from a fur farm into the wild. Such a large number of minks in one area was not natural and they decimated the local wildlife and attacked local pets in the end they had to be hunted down so as to save all the local wild life. So the activists achieved nothing in the end the minks died and so did the vast majority of local wildlife. Completley off the point but does make you think of what would happen if we let all our pets go free!!

 

[plecoperson]

This topic is turning pretty stupid for one person trying to express her views. i think we can safely say that the world will not stop owning pets. I keep my pets for companionship. I will in the near future be purchasing a budgie who will live in a cage except for daily exercise consisting of between 1/2- 1 hour and she will hopefully become trained. Nobody will dissuade me from buying this budgie just by saying that we dont keep our animals the way they live in the wild NO animal is kept the way they would live in the wild.

and hogs (i presume you mean PIGS, opcn) do have a natural habitat. any pig can be taught to hunt for truffles the way they would in wildest england. they can be kept in woodlands (their natural habitat.) and wild boar are frequently found in the wild. in britain.

and I presume that everyone who complains animals shouldnt be kept in cages are all vegans?

I thought not. whats the difference between a budgie in a cage and a hen in a battery cage? imo, the budgie has a much better way of life, even if its kept in a cage 24/7.

a cat in a house or a calf in a veal crate? or a pig in a piggery with no space to stand up or turn around, sperated from her piglets?

This is where we should be looking for animal cruelty. not because budgies were domesticated before we were all born (i presume )

Btw, I am not a vegetarian or a vegan but I still dont agree with the way most farm animals are kept. and Ive studied it for 4 years. call me a hypocrite if you wish.

 

[Jess]

I will in the near future be purchasing a budgie who will live in a cage except for daily exercise consisting of between 1/2- 1 hour and she will hopefully become trained.

Please dont keep your budgie in a cage for 23 hours I hate to sound like im being harsh but that is pretty cruel. Im totally for keeping birds as pets obviously but birds were made to fly... Locking them in a cage all day is cruel..

If you're going to get a budgie (and by all means, do) please let him out for at least 4 hours a day. How would you like to be locked in a little room for 23 hours and let out for exercise? Kinda like being in prison huh?

He'll be a much happier budgie if you let him out regularly, plus more interaction with you will help to tame him

Jess

P.S if its the first bird you've owned i personally would recommend a hand-reared Budgie!!

 

[Opcn]

Acctually I meant Hogs. A pig is a young Hog in the same way that a chick is a young bird. At 18 months they become breedable and therefore become Hogs. Also the domesticated hogs are very different than there ancestors and would reak havoc on the nbatural ecosystem or not survive.

I also hate it when Animal rights actiists protect a nonnative species. In the northern part of the contiguose US someone brought in two mute swans as pets and they escaped and now there are 1800 mute swans and the animal rights activists have made it so that they cant be delt with because they are cute so they are free to totaly destroy the native waterfowl population (swans are mean as all hell) which ofcoarse sends off the native fish popuations which sends off the water plant populations and that disrupts the songbird populations and that affects the Raptor populations and its all for a bunch of cute swans.

 

[Jess]

I think its still illegal to shoot swans in England... something to do with the Queen or something... lol

I dont have a problem with swans personally but it seems a bit irresponsible to release them and let them destroy all the natural wildlife etc... Some people are so stupid...

 

[The-Wolf]

I think its still illegal to shoot swans in England... something to do with the Queen or something... lol

I dont have a problem with swans personally but it seems a bit irresponsible to release them and let them destroy all the natural wildlife etc... Some people are so stupid...

All swans not on the Thames are owned by the Queen.
All swans on the Thames are either owned by the Queen,
the Vintners' Company or The Dyers' Company.

Swan upping

 

[Jess]

Quote from that site :

"Swan Upping dates from medieval times, when the Crown claimed ownership of all mute swans at a time when swans were considered an important food source for banquets and feasts"


We no longer eat Swans though (cos its illegal! lol) so why does the Queen still get to own them? What about all the other birds? Who owns them? I have some swallows nesting in my garage, does that make them mine? lol

I never understand Royal Politics or whatever this is...

Jess

 

[Pointy_kitty]

I think its still illegal to shoot swans in England... something to do with the Queen or something... lol

I dont have a problem with swans personally but it seems a bit irresponsible to release them and let them destroy all the natural wildlife etc... Some people are so stupid...

the swans weren't set free, they escaped
BIG difference
even the most responsible pet owner can overlook and escape route

 

[Jess]

I mis-read... sorry!

 

[Opcn]

Doesnt matter how they got there to me. what matters is that we should fix the problem. They were collecting eggs which reduces the populations but they can't any more because of animal rights activists. personaly I think they should all be eaten or shipped back to wence they came.

 

[fraservet]

A pig is a young Hog in the same way that a chick is a young bird.

This is incorrect.

pig is not the young of the species - it is a general term

depending on where you are, there are many names for swine of different age/sex etc. it all gets very complicated

the terms hog and pig are pretty much interchangeable, with the respective young being hoglet and piglet.

 

[Opcn]

I'm sorry you sir are infact wrong Hog and pig are no more interchangeable than "I could care less" and "I couldn't care less" Piglet reffers to a Pig that has not yet been weened and Hoglet is just the adaptation for species such as Warthog where the inclusion of the name Hog stands in the way of people acepting them as Piglets.

The Fact that these terms are considered interchangeable is no doubt due to farmers who, Oweing to the secluded lifestyle that they were forced to live, Useually were devoid of great quantities of book learning while Commonsence was, thankfully, in abundence. But these terms were thankfully perserved by persons outside of the farming industry but still close. Hog auctioneers acctually preserve the correct term; While farmers who don't pay attention to the auctioneers and even more extreemly city folk who see movies which were consulted by the farmers who don't pay attention to the auctioneers tend to see the different terms as interchangeable incorectly.

Also a grouping of hogs is called a sounder.

 

[fraservet]

the reason I said piglet would be the correct word in your analogy is that as a piglet is an unweaned pig, so a chick is a very young bird

as for the rest you say - perhaps where you are you are correct (in which case I apologise for my original post), but in the UK it is the following...

Pig - the species, general term
Hog - synonym of pig, more specifically a castrated adult male
Boar - adult male
Sow - adult female
Gilt - immature female