Breeding Xenotoca Variata "jeweled Goodeid"

Congrats Chris. Don't be too surprised if a nice goodeid does not produce the huge number of fry we are accustomed to seeing with poeciliids. A drop of 20 to 30 is quite large for them. Look at how big those fry are.

Thanks Gordon. I have researched on Ameca splendens, Xenotoca eiseni and variata and also from experience I have found that they have big fry and don't have very many. Usually 5-8 is a normal drop for juvies and anywhere up to 30 is an average drop for adults. I have noticed this also to be true from my colony of Ameca splendens and Xenotoca eiseni. Your number for how many fry is about dead on. I am not sure on how many fry there are but around 20 - 30 is about right. I am surprised she had that many. I have never had a drop that big with my other Goodeids. My Ameca's and Eiseni have a lot less then what she had but of course I guess I shouldn't be surprised as my Ameca's and Eiseni are still young yet.
 
Well I have more great news! My other female Xenotoca variata "Zacapu" has been giving birth through the night and looks like she is almost done. She like her sister has had a great sized drop and the fry are doing very well. Although, I will have to admit I didn't move her in the drop tank as I still have fry in there from the last drop and I also want to see how well the fry do in the main tank with the adults. I also will have to admit I thought she would have a bit further time before the day of the drop but I guess I was wrong. I will for sure move the fry to the drop tank but I think the next drop I will save some in the main tank and see how they do and get some experience with it. I am really enjoying these guys a lot! They are for sure my favorite goodeid!

I have noticed there really isn't a lot of online information about these guys and I have been thinking I would like to devote some of my time to make an online information page about them and share my interest in them and experiences keeping them. However, I will for sure have to find the time to do so. Thank you very much Fish48 and Gordon for all of your help!

I noticed that you have Xenotoca melanosoma Fish48 and I was wondering if they are easy to keep and breed? I have researched on them and have read that they are more predatory on their own fry then variata. When I get a tank opened up I would really love to get some and have a colony!
 
Will I see some of those at the TCTFS auction? It sounds like you are ending up with enough for a couple of tanks now Chris.
My own greens have gone from me being reluctant to give any up to having a surplus so they will be offered there and probably again in Cleveland at the ALA convention. I may also offer a few of the A. towerii at the TCTFS auction. They were last year's SMP offering and have thrived in my tank. I always try to bring my most successful breeding to the ALA convention but I don't forget where I live either. CAFE and TCTFS are my main local clubs and both see some of my nicer fish.
 
British livebearer Association issue 23 june/ 08

Breeding Xenotoca melanosoma By Gary Randall

Xenotoca melanosoma are found throughout the state of Jalisco in Mexico from Rio Tamazulae. Rio Ameca and Rio Grande de Santiago. They attain a maximum size of 80mm (males and females).

I maintained Xenotoca melanosoma many years ago, but eventually decided to pass them to other hobbyists to make room in my fish house for other species of livebearers. Unfortunately they seemed to largely disappear from the hobby.

Around three years ago I came across them in a show and since the person showing them was well known to me I asked him if he would sell me any surplus stocks, unfortunately, the person showing these fish told me that intermittently and had not bred for some time.

Over the next few years. I came across this species occasionally, but nobody had any surplus stocks and everybody keeping them reported the same thing, that they were hard to breed and bred very occasionally. It seemed that nobody had had any success with them.

Last year I got a call from Duncan who had managed to get a couple of pairs from martin tversted in Denmark who was trying to make space in his fish house for other fish. Martin had reported that these fish only bred once or twice a year and Duncan had maintained these fish for a couple of months with no signs of fry. Duncan asked me if I would like a pair but eventually he decided that it would be better if we kept both pairs together so I therefore received both pairs on the understanding that I would give him some fry when/ if I managed to get them to breed.

I maintained both pairs in a relatively large, 30x18x10 (approx 100 liters) aquaria with flower pots as hiding places as the males get aggressive during breeding, usually only resulting in split fins

I maintain the tank at 74 degrees F and I feed them frozen bloodworm and plenty of live foods including white worm and mosquito larvae. About four times per a week I feed them chopped earth worms, they really seem to like this and I feel that earthworms may well be the secret to getting them into prime breeding condition.

I change about 40- 50%of the water every two weeks.

It was not long before the female started to show signs of being gravid and at first I let the females drop into the main tank.

Despite the fact the tank was well planted, the adults killed the young and so I quickly learned that I would have to separate the females into a separate tank in order to have any chance with saving the young.

About a week before the female was due to drop, I moved her into a separate small tank with plastic spawning mats along the sides and back of the tank and some more spawning mats floating on the surface. This method seems to work well, 3”long females regularly drop 30-40 large fry and at birth they are large enough to be fed on grindal worms, daphnia and newly hatched brine shrimp. The fry start to sex out around 3 months old.
Since November the fish have bred almost continually, I have had six broods from the females and at 74 degrees Fahrenheit the gestation period seems to be about 8 weeks.

Gary
 
British livebearer Association issue 23 june/ 08

Breeding Xenotoca melanosoma By Gary Randall

Xenotoca melanosoma are found throughout the state of Jalisco in Mexico from Rio Tamazulae. Rio Ameca and Rio Grande de Santiago. They attain a maximum size of 80mm (males and females).

I maintained Xenotoca melanosoma many years ago, but eventually decided to pass them to other hobbyists to make room in my fish house for other species of livebearers. Unfortunately they seemed to largely disappear from the hobby.

Around three years ago I came across them in a show and since the person showing them was well known to me I asked him if he would sell me any surplus stocks, unfortunately, the person showing these fish told me that intermittently and had not bred for some time.

Over the next few years. I came across this species occasionally, but nobody had any surplus stocks and everybody keeping them reported the same thing, that they were hard to breed and bred very occasionally. It seemed that nobody had had any success with them.

Last year I got a call from Duncan who had managed to get a couple of pairs from martin tversted in Denmark who was trying to make space in his fish house for other fish. Martin had reported that these fish only bred once or twice a year and Duncan had maintained these fish for a couple of months with no signs of fry. Duncan asked me if I would like a pair but eventually he decided that it would be better if we kept both pairs together so I therefore received both pairs on the understanding that I would give him some fry when/ if I managed to get them to breed.

I maintained both pairs in a relatively large, 30x18x10 (approx 100 liters) aquaria with flower pots as hiding places as the males get aggressive during breeding, usually only resulting in split fins

I maintain the tank at 74 degrees F and I feed them frozen bloodworm and plenty of live foods including white worm and mosquito larvae. About four times per a week I feed them chopped earth worms, they really seem to like this and I feel that earthworms may well be the secret to getting them into prime breeding condition.

I change about 40- 50%of the water every two weeks.

It was not long before the female started to show signs of being gravid and at first I let the females drop into the main tank.

Despite the fact the tank was well planted, the adults killed the young and so I quickly learned that I would have to separate the females into a separate tank in order to have any chance with saving the young.

About a week before the female was due to drop, I moved her into a separate small tank with plastic spawning mats along the sides and back of the tank and some more spawning mats floating on the surface. This method seems to work well, 3”long females regularly drop 30-40 large fry and at birth they are large enough to be fed on grindal worms, daphnia and newly hatched brine shrimp. The fry start to sex out around 3 months old.
Since November the fish have bred almost continually, I have had six broods from the females and at 74 degrees Fahrenheit the gestation period seems to be about 8 weeks.

Gary


Thank you very much Gary! They sound somewhat hard to keep but at the same time I don't mind a challenge. It also sounds like they are very hard to come by. That's really sad. Do you by chance know of any contacts in the USA that have some? I would love to buy some from you if you had some for sale but it would be VERY costly. Thank you very much again!
 
Will I see some of those at the TCTFS auction? It sounds like you are ending up with enough for a couple of tanks now Chris.
My own greens have gone from me being reluctant to give any up to having a surplus so they will be offered there and probably again in Cleveland at the ALA convention. I may also offer a few of the A. towerii at the TCTFS auction. They were last year's SMP offering and have thrived in my tank. I always try to bring my most successful breeding to the ALA convention but I don't forget where I live either. CAFE and TCTFS are my main local clubs and both see some of my nicer fish.

I did end up with two fairly decent drops but sadly I don't think I will be bringing some to the auction for the public. If you are interested in getting some I will be more then happy to bring some for you to the auction. Please keep in mind though they are still young. Also the fry are my only surplus of this species and I probably won't be offering them for quite sometime until my colony gets more in abundance. That's great your fish have been doing good. Goodeids and other live bearers are beautiful and great fish to keep. I love and enjoy Goodeids and other live bearers. I was wondering if you are interested in getting some Xenotoca variata "Zacapu" if you would be interested in trading? Would you be willing to trade some A.towerii or Xenotaenia resolanae for some?
 
Finally my Xenotoca variata "J. maria" had fry! All 3 females have had a drop. They are still young though so I would expect each mother dropped around 5-8 fry. I am very excited! They are very beautiful fish! If things keep going at this rate I should have some to take to auctions and such. I decided to save some of the J. maria fry by putting them in a growout tank but I have left some in the main tank and see how they do. So far so great! I just really planted up the tank. I have a lot of plants floating and in the gravel.
 
a pitcher of Xenotoca melanosoma its been some time since they last had fry i hope to get them breeding soon. IMG_1131.JPG

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Oh wow! They are beautiful! Nice pics Gary! Good luck with breeding them! Thank you very much for everything and sharing the pics!
 
a old favourite of mine
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Skiffia bilineata
Males up to 4cms, females 5cms. The females are greyish in colour with a bluish sheen along and around the belly. This becomes more widespread during pregnancy.
 
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Allodontichthys zonistus are best kept in a large tanks.
these fish are very good at attacking and killing there fry .
 
Very nice pics Gary! Very beautiful fish! I have seen pics of the Skiffia bilineata but I have never heard nor seen pics of the Allodontichthys zonistus. Thank you very much for sharing!
 
I have more good news for my Xenotoca variata "Zacapu". One of the two big females started dropping fry this morning! So far I see anywhere from 5 - 10 fry and she isn't done yet! Also I have 3 female C.pardalis that should be dropping fry very soon. Very exciting! The other female Zacapu is coming a long but still has a little wait to go.
 

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