blood parrot

[caz27]

Has anyone owned one i had an impulse buy yesturday and bought one....done a search and have read that they are basicaly a manufactured fish and i'm not sure wether to take it back

 

[CFC]

Personally i would take the BP back, they often have deformaties of the mouth which make it difficult for the fish to feed which causes problems as thay grow, also they are not only manufactured but dyed as well so purchasing one just helps toward this sickening trade going on.
Another point that should be made is that since this fish is made from crossing a red devil with another cichlid they can become very aggressive as they mature depending on how much devil they have in them and what the other "parent" fish was.

 

[caz27]

I will take him back at the wkend......feel really sorry for the little chap though and guilty

 

[teknikz]

from what ive read no1 actually knows what the blood parrot is made from......theres a few possibilities as to the parents of this breed

ive got 4 blood parrots and not 1 of my is even a tiny bit aggressive.

they are quite happy swimmin round with the others and do not boss any1 around......they also swim fine and eat fine.......ppl say they have deformed mouths but im not too sure......i can see into all jy parrots mouths and they seem to be able to close their mouths fully.....they dont have any problems what so ever with eating

also......not 1 of my parrots has been dyed....they are all naturally coloured.....they were all a dark grey/green colour when i got them and theur NATURAL colours have come out.......it would be a shame if u took him back as i think they are 1 of the few fish that can get a really good personality......fair enuff its a manufactured fish.....but i still dont see why ppl hate them so much.....just dont let ppl who dislike these fish sway u into the mind of getting rid....coz it'd be u thats missing out

 

[Lateral Line]

Regardless of whether or not they are dyed, they are a man made abomination, the sale of which should be actively discouraged.

Make up your own mind - encourage the people who made them so they will experiment on heaven knows how many other poor fish to see if they can "get a result", or take them back to the shop and tell the owners you were disgusted to find out the truth about these things. Your choice.

 

[teknikz]

well i for certain will be keeping my blood parrots

its not like if i take my 4 fish back that its gonna make a big difference....infact i dont think it'll make any difference at all......whether i buy a man made fish or not.....ppl are still going to experiment.....my fish are fit and healthy and have no problems that parrot haters say they all have

 

[Lateral Line]

You are, of course, quite welcome to your opinion.

 

[caz27]

Well i took them back and i do miss them they only where with me for 4 days and were confident enough to come out and see me ....i know they are man made but this is not the fishes fault I think that we should not condem the fish because of it

 

[smb]

it would be a shame if u took him back as i think they are 1 of the few fish that can get a really good personality......

What!? Have you ever had a cichlid? Every one of my cichlids had/has a personality unmatched by any fish, imo. There are many other types of fish that have a personality also. I hand feed every one of my fish and they only like me. Anyone else comes in the room and they are attacking the glass to get at them. If I wanted, I could even pet them as they lie on their side for me all the time. You should get a red devil or Oscar and you'll see personality.

fair enuff its a manufactured fish.....but i still dont see why ppl hate them so much.....

Can't speak for anyone but me but I don't hate hybrids. I hate that they are sold in lfs's and you can't distinguish between a flowerhorn or a trimac. I hate that I think a few years down the road that all fish in lfs's will not be pure. I do hate blood parrots tho because I think it is cruel what they are doing to these fish. I don't like the fact that they are making man-made abominations for a fish w/o dorsal fins or tails. This is not natural and cannot be enjoyable for the fish.

just dont let ppl who dislike these fish sway u into the mind of getting rid....coz it'd be u thats missing out

You are more than entitled to your opinion and I respect that. I hope you respect mine as well.

 

[teknikz]

see.....thats what i mean 'I don't like the fact that they are making man-made abominations for a fish w/o dorsal fins or tails'

my parrots have dorsal fins and tails....both complete and fully working....and i think that they are really nice looking fish.......and i do own cichlids....ive got a cichlid set up.......but...even tho these fish have got personality......my parrots have a whole amount more than them.......i too can feed most of my fish by hand.......but its the things that my parrots do that make them seem to have lots more personality than all of my other fish

i can understand what ppl mean by the hybrid thing tho.......if some1 was to say to me they gonna stop makin hybrids coz its unhealthy for the fish then i'd back it all the way....and the same goes for if some1 said that only specialist ppl can sell hybrid fish.......as to stop any malpractise that goes on id back that too.

if these fish had to be 'ordered'.....like they had to make u 1 specially then id be against it......but ive bought them from boring tanks that hundreds of ppl a month go lookin into with their noses pressed up against the glass....i feel ive givin them a better home

if any1 can prove to me that my fish are suffering......or that if i got rid of my fish then no more would be made then id get rid

i appreciate other ppls opinions.....and to a certain extent i agree with you....but i personally think these fish are 1 of the best fish u could have

 

[New Boy]

Whenever I read a blood parrot discussion people always rattle on about 'man made' and 'dyed fish' and 'tail-less'. To me these are seperate issues, I think if you speak to most BP owners they are AGAINST DYING and AGAINST TAIL-LESS fish - but this doesn't just happen to BP's - just look at cory's, tiger barbs, glass fish etc. IMO the best thing to do is avoid LFS that sell dyed fish, if all fish keepers join in on that boycott it'll soon stop.

As for BP's being a 'man made abomination' I'm sure that everyone has kept a guppy, platy, or goldfish in their time - try comparing them to the wild bred versions that has been line bred and essentially man made to create the modern aquarium favourite.

Just my opinion of course.

 

[New Boy]

Didn't mean that to sound as stroppy as it did on re-reading it - just think BP owners get a rough ride because of the dying thing and I'm not sure everyone out there realises that most BP owners are against dying as I mentioned.

Don't know whether I'm being paranoid but it seems that since I added the fact that I have 4 BP's to my sig I only ever get replies to my posts from CFC and a couple of others.

 

[kay_w]

I also have a Blood Parrot fish (undyed)
and i am against any form of cruelty to fish or any other living thing,
i have been a vegetarian for this reason for 18 years,.... however the fact that i and my family dont eat meat or any animal produce, has done nothing at all to stop the barbaric cruelty that goes on in slaughterhouses, or the way that pigs are kept in tiny pens for their whole lives with no room to lie down, or newborn calves that are shipped abroad in tiny crates etc etc i could go on and on.....people will still always say well yeah its a shame but i like meat so ill still buy it, the point im trying to make is there will always be people out there who dont give a dam as long as they enjoy the final product and will buy it no matter what.

[/QUOTE]I do hate blood parrots tho because I think it is cruel what they are doing to these fish. I don't like the fact that they are making man-made abominations for a fish w/o dorsal fins or tails. This is not natural and cannot be enjoyable for the fish.[/QUOTE]

(oops im not clever enough to do the quote thing ) )

how can you say you hate blood parrots becuse its cruel that they are man made?
they didnt ask to be "made" and they certainly didnt ask to go thro the suffering of being dyed, the fact is they have been and they are here so surely you cant condemn people who buy them and give them a happy and comfortable life.

I too would back any petition to stop this going on but in the meantime what do you blood parrot haters suggest happens to all the parrots that are around now?
do we have some kind of mass slaughter or maybe a witchunt where all blood parrots are burned at the stake?

 

[Lateral Line]

>>>
surely you cant condemn people who buy them and give them a happy and comfortable life.
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Sadly, what buying them to give them a comfortable life does, is creates demand for them. The fish shop sees people buying them, so he buys more, so more are bred.

For every parrot that makes it to the shops, how many have mouth deformities so bad that they simply starve to death? How many are born so deformed, they will never sell, so are "discarded" in whatever way is best - read cheapest, nothing to do with humanely.

As has been pointed out, these are intelligent fish with real personalities that are being mercilessly tortured every day to provide a few survivors for the LFS.

The people that created them are not interested in the welfare of fish. They are interested in parting money from people by whatever means they have at their disposal. I can't get into PFK's website, (weird - 404'ing me), at the moment, but there is a story there about the collapse of the "FlowerHorn" trade and what the breeders are doing to get rid of their, now worthless, stock. Sickening - it is what happens when live creatures become fashion items.

>>> i am against any form of cruelty to fish

You see Kay, much of the cruelty has already been done.

>>> cruelty that goes on in slaughterhouses,
>>> pigs are kept in tiny pens
>>> newborn calves that are shipped abroad in tiny crates

Yes, and people rightly campaign against such practices. Just as the informed campaign against breeding deliberately malformed fish, but since they're "only fish", i.e. not soft and cuddly, you don't get to see it on the news. It doesn't mean it is not happening, has not been happening for a long time and will not continue to happen --- while there is a market.

 

[kay_w]

I agree with you tho Lateral line,

but i wish i could change the world also, i cant tho ive tried for so long, there will always be people who dont see or dont want to see the "behind the scenes" goings on.
i can see clearly that by people not buying these fish there will be no demand for them so they will no longer be bred, but in the meantime what happens to the ones that are bred already?