bid on a delta...got a veil...

[jacblades]

well here is the update:

she wants to keep all of my money (even though i offered to pay the starting price for them 'plus of course the shipping') because she still insists that they are not veils. she also now tells me that connie emery bred these fish...which is another lie. she will not say why she overlapped the pictures and she is insulted that i questioned the layout...
i told her that i was going to post all of her emails on this forum and a few other forums so she has been warned.
i advise any of you to think twice before bidding on any of her aquabid items. i gave her the benefit of the doubt first because she seemed nice but now she has shown her true colors.

i will be leaving her a link to her rude emails (and my polite ones!) in my negative feedback so that anyone who looks at her feedback can read the whole story.

i will get the emails together shortly and post them for you guys to read.

you can only pray for people like her and hope she rids herself of the dishonesty.

 

[jacblades]

----- Original Message -----
From: "jac" <jacblades@*****>
To: "Lina Faye" <linafaye@******>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: fish


> lina,
> the fish arrived wednesday and they are beautiful fish but they are
> veiltails. had i known this, i wouldnt have bid so high on them. i
> probably would not have bid on them at all since i can find marble veils
> at my lfs for $3 each.
> the pictures in the auction did not show all of the tail because they
> were overlapped.
> you have been a courteous seller to me so far (especially by sending me
> an extra fish) and i would like to perhaps purchase from you again
> someday. i would like some sort of refund since i have found my fish to
> be lesser in value than they were portrayed in the auction.
> thanks
> +jac+
>


From: Lina Faye <linafaye@******>

To: jac <jacblades@*********>
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2004 04:41:10 PM PDT
Subject: Re: fish


They aren't veiltails.
They were put on auction as a pair (not a trio) for 15.00 and I don't
believe that I protrayed them as being more valuable than that so you could
hardly claim that they are of "lesser value than they were portrayed". You
could have left off bidding at anytime.
I'd be happy to refund the entire 47.00 if you want to return the fish.
Short of that, just how much of a refund do you want?

----- Original Message -----
From: "jac" <jacblades@******>
To: "Lina Faye" <linafaye@*******>
Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2004 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: fish


> i would like a refund of $32. (47 minus the starting price of 15) i
> would not mind keeping the fish as pets but if this will not work, i
> will return them for a complete refund since i cant afford to be
> spending so much on fish that i will not be able to breed. i posted the
> picture of the male on a betta forum that i frequent and everyone that
> responded agreed that it was a veil. i can send you the link if you
> would like.
> perhaps if the auction pictures had not been overlapped, i would have
> seen that the fish was not a delta and would not have bid so much.
> i really would like to make this transaction go well so that i can leave
> you positive feedback since that is what you did for me.
> thanks
> +jac+


From: Lina Faye <linafaye@*******
To: jac <jacblades@*****>
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2004 09:26:57 PM PDT
Subject: Re: fish

Just send the fish back and I will refund the whole 47.00. I can't see you
spending 15.00 for fish you can't breed either.


From: Lina Faye <linafaye@**********>

To: jac <jacblades@*******>
Date: Sun Aug 22, 2004 09:31:30 PM PDT
Subject: Re: fish p.s.


I'd like the link to the forum where you posted the pic as I would like to
see the picture you took of him.
Thanks


----- Original Message -----
From: "jac" <jacblades@*********>
To: "Lina Faye" <linafaye@***********>
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 4:35 AM
Subject: Re: fish


> now that i think about it, by sending the fish back i would end up
> paying about $20 for nothing (shipping both ways.)
> i am willing to pay the starting price of $15 (25 including the
> shipping) to keep them to avoid having to pay $20 for no fish at all.
> they are beautiful fish and they would be well taken care of as pets in
> my house.
> heres the link to the thread:
>
http/www.fishforums.net/index.php?showtopic=53386
>
> thanks
> +jac+
>


From: Lina Faye <linafaye@*********>

To: jac <jacblades@********>
Date: Mon Aug 23, 2004 08:16:03 AM PDT
Subject: Re: fish

"in the top left auction picture, it looks like he is a delta but his tail
is covered up in the bottom picture. was this done on purpose? the tail is
light pink on the ends as well. does the auction picture look edited to
yall? (notice in my pic there are a lot of black spots on his head but none
in the auction picture)"

Kind of insulting, don't you think, to accuse some one of falsifying a pic
to sell a fish?
And that picture you posted of him is a real credit to you.



----- Original Message -----
From: "jac" <jacblades@**********>
To: "Lina Faye" <linafaye@*********>
Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 11:53 AM
Subject: Re: fish


> i did give you the benefit of the doubt and i doubt you did it on
> purpose. i said that i didnt think you were the kind of person who would
> rip someone off and i hope i dont have to change my mind about that.
> all i want is what is fair. i dont want the fish for free. i said i
> would pay the starting price for them.
> i would like to resovle this so i can tell all of the people on the
> forum that it was an honest mistake and so that i can leave you positive
> feedback.
> remember the majority of them use aquabid too and i dont want you to
> have a bad name in their eyes. i just want to be fair.
> +jac+
>


From: Lina Faye <linafaye@*********>*>

To: jac <jacblades@********>
Date: Mon Aug 23, 2004 10:31:53 AM PDT
Subject: Re: fish

Do you think it would be fair to all those that you bid against or ethical
for me to sell the fish to you for less than what they bid?
As I said, I'm willing to refund the 47.00 for you to return the fish. I
will even pay the return shipping so it will cost us each one way shipping.

As for what those people on that forum think...they've already accused me of
bidding against you myself. Should I really think that I can impress those
sort of people into thinking well of me? Nice slant with those pictures.
Were you afraid to show him flaring? He's one of Connie Emery's fish. I
doubt she made IBC Reserve Grand Champion by breeding veiltails.

For all the less than complimentary comments you've made in public and
private, I certainly doubt that you would leave a positive feedback no
matter so I'm only making this offer once. Ship the fish and you'll get your
refund but I'm not giving you those fish for 15.00.



-----Original Message-----
From: jac <jacblades@*********>
To: Lina Faye <linafaye@*********>
Subject: Re: fish

i was trying to be nice but apparently you dont respect that. im sure
all of the other people who bid against me would not have wanted
veiltails either. maybe i should email them my pics and ask if they
would like the veils? the fish has not flared once since i got him, even
when i placed a mirror in front of him. he will not flare at any of my
females either. if i could have gotten a picture of him flaring, i
definately would have. why would i try to cheat you? i was so excited
about these fish even before i won the auction. i emailed you and told
you that. i did not accuse you of shill bidding. one person on the board
did.
i am no longer sure that i can trust you by sending back the fish. you
will not admit that you sold me veiltails and you say these veils are
from connie emery? if she bred these fish then why did you not put that
in the auction listing? why did you overlap the pictures the way you
did?
lina, you put the fish up at a starting price of $15. what if you had
received only one bid? would you have refused to sell them for that? i
think $15 is a fair price for both of us. please refund my $32 and i
will leave you positive feedback without any mention of our mishap. i am
willing to forget about it if you give me a fair refund.
please dont make me give you a bad name by posting all of the rude
emails you have sent me on that forum or the other 3 betta forums that i
use, as well as leaving negative feedback with a link to your rude
emails.
i am willing to resolve this in a fair and adult matter and i am willing
to pay the minimum bid price that you posted.
thank you
+jac+


From: Lina Faye <linafaye@ ***********>
To: jac <jacblades@*********>
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 15:56:39 -0400

post-away

-----Original Message-----
From: jac <jacblades@******>
To: Lina Faye <linafaye@*******>
Subject: Re:

i am sorry that we could not work this out in a mature way. in the end,
$32 probably will not be worth it. you will now be reported to aquabid.
dishonesty is a horrible quality to have and i will pray that you can
overcome it.
sorry
+jac+


EDIT: i blocked out the email addresses...sheesh im such a softie...

 

[nibbles]

whos the seller? just wondering so ill know now to order from them..

its definately a veil.. and definately report to aquabid.. saving all the emails is a good idea too..

but yea.. thats pretty low of a seller.. i had a seller BS me many times and i know pretty much what its like..

definately report them tho.. if you paid through paypal wouldnt hurt to email them the situation also..

but dont take this bs sitting down... post in the aquabid cafe about her.. in the forums part.. people wont deal with her if they know what she does..

i bought from a seller with 303/303 positive feedback, and shes lied to me, tried to steal my money, not sent the right fish, accused me of slander, the list goes on..

but definately dont take this sitting down.. post everywhere you can about her and people wont buy from her.. shes challenging you to prove her wrong, so definately do it and make her look stupid.

 

[jacblades]

it turns out she has already posted bad things about me in the aquabid forum. i guess i will just have to post her emails... *sigh*

http/www.aquabid.com/forum/forum.cgi?act...1&category=cafe

 

[sunflower]

Oh my.

I seem to be saying that alot lately

 

[rain-]

Yes, that one is a veiltail for sure. Claiming it to be something other is really weird. Maybe you could email that Connie Emery and ask her opinion. I'm sure she recognises a veiltail

 

[wuvmybetta]

I'm really sorry this happened,Jac. And I'm sorry I mentioned her allegedly bidding against you. My heresay should have no reflection on the outcome of your trade so she should disregard that.

But...
Connie Emery's fish? As you said,why not mention that in the auction. These fish actually came from Connie Emery...? And they're being sold at a bargain price by a middleman? Or they're her fry from fish that came from C.E? Something's not adding up.

If she's offered to refund your payment and pay for the shipping

As I said, I'm willing to refund the 47.00 for you to return the fish. I
will even pay the return shipping so it will cost us each one way shipping.

I would have her pay up first. But as you said,you're still losing 20 bucks. This bites.

 

[Auratus]

You don't have to have a picture of a veiltail flaring to see that it's not a delta; even when they aren't flared you can tell the difference... ughh that lady is weird.

I hope you get your money back, or at least part of it.

 

[cation]

Wowzers! I'm sorry you're having so many problems. What a crappy situation.

 

[wuvmybetta]

it turns out she has already posted bad things about me in the aquabid forum. i guess i will just have to post her emails... *sigh*

http/www.aquabid.com/forum/forum.cgi?act...1&category=cafe

Wow,they're yucking it up. One person is on your side. It's a VT.

 

[nibbles]

morons.. its obviously a veiltail.. how stupid do they think you are...

that seller is a moron obviously too... posting stupid stuff like that is just gonna make her look more idiotic.. ill add a nice post there to make her look stupid

 

[Auratus]

Oh, and why is she insulting your pictures? They are clearer and less grainy then hers are.

Look how long that tail is!!! No way it can be a delta. Using the picture quality and asking for a flaring picture is a very lame excuse.

This is why I don't buy fish off the internet

 

[Wisperian]

Wow she was harsh on ya jac! I think you should really report her..... cuz thats def a veil i think she knows that you know that its a veil and you know more about bettas than her so she doesnt wanna admit her mistakes

 

[nibbles]

i cant get over sellers like that... you definately should ask for the breeders email that apparently bred them... ask for her opinion... she most likely will side with the person that bought her fish, but its worth a try..

i posted on aquabid forums..

it doesnt make sense that she said she expected to get much less for such a high quality fish bred by such a high quality breeder... shes not a good liar... if you did pay with paypal tho you should contact them about it.. they probably dont know about fish but its worth it to tell them the situation..

 

[cation]

.. ill add a nice post there to make her look stupid

So, you gonna start another war between boards? That's always a good move.