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Betta with an eye-deformity. Should I buy?

Female bettas do flare. Getting them to flare is one way of deciding if the fish is male or female when it's not clear from the fins. (If the gills show under the head like a beard it's male; if the gills show only at the sides it's female.

The holes, or whatever they are, don't look as bad in the video as in the original photo.
I've had dragonscale bettas (males) which had the scaling grow over their eyes but it looked different from this female. One betta in particular ended up with no sight in one eye and limited sight in the other. He still managed perfectly well as fish have other senses to navigate with. I just made sure that his tank decor was never moved out of position.
If you really like this fish, I don't see a problem. If you have had fish posted before, you'll know how to open the box etc. If you haven't, just say.
 
Female bettas do flare. Getting them to flare is one way of deciding if the fish is male or female when it's not clear from the fins. (If the gills show under the head like a beard it's male; if the gills show only at the sides it's female.

The holes, or whatever they are, don't look as bad in the video as in the original photo.
I've had dragonscale bettas (males) which had the scaling grow over their eyes but it looked different from this female. One betta in particular ended up with no sight in one eye and limited sight in the other. He still managed perfectly well as fish have other senses to navigate with. I just made sure that his tank decor was never moved out of position.
If you really like this fish, I don't see a problem. If you have had fish posted before, you'll know how to open the box etc. If you haven't, just say.


Thanks a lot for this post, following on from some of the others, it has tipped the balance in favour of me buying this fish.

I've never had fish posted to me before, only ever bought from my LFS, so I've no idea about opening the box, would have thought it would be straightforward, but perhaps not?
 
The main thing to remember is that the fish will have been in total darkness in a small bag of water for hours. Open the box in a dim area to give her eyes time to adjust. A sudden change from total darkness to bright light is stressful for fish.

The water in the bag could be significantly different from your tap water as it's not water from the shop round the corner. Some members will advise slowly adding your tap water to the bag; others will say that it days if not weeks for a fish to acclimatise to different water so you may as well just remove her from the bag straight into her new home. I'm not sure which is the best approach. It's a long time since I had fish delivered but many members will have received fish this way more recently and are in a better position to advise which is the best way.
 
The main thing to remember is that the fish will have been in total darkness in a small bag of water for hours. Open the box in a dim area to give her eyes time to adjust. A sudden change from total darkness to bright light is stressful for fish.

Thank you very much for this, as I have to confess I hadn't thought about that factor at all and probably would have opened the box.

As for acclimitising, whenever I have bought fish or shrimp in the past I have always floated the bag in the tank and very slowly poured tiny amounts of water into the bag over the course of a few hours to give the fish time to adjust, then I would tip some of the water out of the bag and into the tank, keeping the fish in the bag with some remaining water, and then start to pour in more, little by little, until I felt it had been long enough, and pretty much all the water had been mixed down, only then would I release the fish into the tank. I would expect this process to take up to 6 hours or more, might sound like overkill but I think it works.
 
It does look like a quick flare at the glass. Females are known to flare too though.
 
The water in the bag could be significantly different from your tap water as it's not water from the shop round the corner. Some members will advise slowly adding your tap water to the bag; others will say that it days if not weeks for a fish to acclimatise to different water so you may as well just remove her from the bag straight into her new home. I'm not sure which is the best approach.
As for acclimitising, whenever I have bought fish or shrimp in the past I have always floated the bag in the tank and very slowly poured tiny amounts of water into the bag over the course of a few hours to give the fish time to adjust, then I would tip some of the water out of the bag and into the tank, keeping the fish in the bag with some remaining water, and then start to pour in more, little by little, until I felt it had been long enough, and pretty much all the water had been mixed down, only then would I release the fish into the tank. I would expect this process to take up to 6 hours or more, might sound like overkill but I think it works.

Acclimatising new livestock, there has been a lot of debate over this that I've seen over the years.

From what I've learned from a couple of very knowledgeable members on this forum that acclimisation livestock should ever really only be for wild caught fish from low ph waters of say 4.5 or less going into a home aquarium where ph can vary from 6.5 to 8.5 so only folks that have a wide knowledge about acclimation should really attempt to do this as it does indeed take weeks if not months to properly acclimatise wild fish.

However, for our perspective of putting in LFS or online store bought fish where fish are used to roughly the same ph as in our aquariums, the only acclimatisation one needs to do is for temperature matching the water as the water in the bag where livestock is will undoubtedly be cooler by the time the bag with water and livestock arrives at your home, so slowly increasing the temperature of the bag water to match your tank water by floating it on water surface and perhaps adding some tank water to bag if you wish to do so, this helps to stop temperature shock in livestock. This does not take long to do so really.

But if online store bought livestock is travelling over a longer period of time, say at least 3 hours to a couple of days, then a longer temperature matching period may be required, but do bear in mind the fish has been stressed and has been pooping and breathing ammonia into that little amount of water in the bag, its probably unpleasant for the livestock so do this as quick as you possibly can but not rushing so much it makes things worse.

I've seen the effect of temperature shock in livestock, its not pretty, bent spine and swimming erratically etc.

BUT, if the store is only half an hour to an hour away and you've gone straight from the store to your home, simply add the fish to the aquarium straightaway, net the fish and add to tank, NO bag water is to go into the tank at all under any circumstances.

Adding bag water from LFS to your tank is potentially asking for trouble as you have no idea what is in the water from LFS.
Most LFS runs a single water course that runs through all their tanks in the store, this makes perfect time management and business sense to do so. Not all LFS do this but most do.

But because the LFS is potentially running all tanks from one source, and water runs through all the other tanks, the water may collect diseases and unwanted elements such as algae, debris and lord knows else could be in that water, you do not want to add this to your tank and thus start affecting all your livestock.

For most folks who have done this and found it is ok in most cases to add a little water from bag to tank but its just not worth it imho as the risk of having something spreading through the water column in your tank is too risky for me to ever do this.
 
Acclimatising new livestock, there has been a lot of debate over this that I've seen over the years.

From what I've learned from a couple of very knowledgeable members on this forum that acclimisation livestock should ever really only be for wild caught fish from low ph waters of say 4.5 or less going into a home aquarium where ph can vary from 6.5 to 8.5 so only folks that have a wide knowledge about acclimation should really attempt to do this as it does indeed take weeks if not months to properly acclimatise wild fish............................

Ch4rlie, thank you for taking the time to post all of this information, that has given me a lot to think on.

Whenever I've bought fish or shrimp in the past, I always added all of the water that came in the bag, thinking that as it came from a good LFS it was probably even better than the water I had in my tank, and would make a good top-up.

Now I am thinking twice about that. Though I have to say my gut instinct doesn't really like the idea of taking a fish directly from one body of water and putting it straight into another.

Given what you have told me, I think I may just float the bag until it matches the temperature in the tank, then remove some of the water from the bag, before topping it back up with tank water over the course of an hour or so.

Some bag water will go into the tank, but I will try to minimise that by tipping out as much as I can without stressing the fish.

I've spoken to the seller again, and will be buying the fish next week, as she does not post anything on a friday, so I have plenty of time to do a little more research.
 
Ch4rlie,

I've spoken to the seller again, and will be buying the fish next week, as she does not post anything on a friday, so I have plenty of time to do a little more research.

I'm pleased to hear that.:)

That will also make me come back to this forum just to read about how the pet is doing.
 
Ask the seller if they add anything to the bag water to detoxify ammonia. If they do, that gives you more time. If they don't, there will be a lot of ammonia in the water, but there will also be a lot of carbon dioxide breathed out by the fish. This will lower the pH which means that almost all the ammonia would be in the ammonium form which isn't as toxic. But once you open the bag, the carbon dioxide will gas off and the pH will rise, so some of the ammonium will turn into toxic ammonia. Just how much will depend on the pH. If the pH is still low, that's OK, but if the pH rises to over 7, you'll need to release the fish as soon as possible after getting the temperature right.
 
Now I am thinking twice about that. Though I have to say my gut instinct doesn't really like the idea of taking a fish directly from one body of water and putting it straight into another.

This I understand and get perfectly.

I remember the first time I tried adding fish directly from bag to tank and kept asking certain members back in the day 'are you SURE this is the right thing to do?', and then I did it practically with eyes closed and saw that fish were perfectly fine, no issues at all and in fact they seem really happy zooming about in tank exploring their new surroundings, I then realised this method makes a lot of sense.

And I've been doing things this way for many years without a single loss or issue that I won't bother acclimatising if fish / livestock are from local areas of an hour's trip.

Though will likely temperature match bag water to tank water if I ever buy any livestock online for sure but that's about it really in terms of acclimatising to be entirely honest.

Edit - Essjay brought up an excellent point about opening bag and changing the water parameters, I forgot to mention this, good point tbh.
 
And I've been doing things this way for many years without a single loss or issue that I won't bother acclimatising if fish / livestock are from local areas of an hour's trip.

In this case the fish is coming from Manchester, to London, so there could be quite a difference in the water.
 
Ask the seller if they add anything to the bag water to detoxify ammonia. If they do, that gives you more time. If they don't, there will be a lot of ammonia in the water, but there will also be a lot of carbon dioxide breathed out by the fish. This will lower the pH which means that almost all the ammonia would be in the ammonium form which isn't as toxic. But once you open the bag, the carbon dioxide will gas off and the pH will rise, so some of the ammonium will turn into toxic ammonia. Just how much will depend on the pH. If the pH is still low, that's OK, but if the pH rises to over 7, you'll need to release the fish as soon as possible after getting the temperature right.


Had absolutely no idea about this, I'll definitely ask the seller if they add anything to detoxify. What if I just pierce the bag with a small hole, will all the carbon dioxide still gas off the water?
 
In this case the fish is coming from Manchester, to London, so there could be quite a difference in the water.
It takes weeks for a fish to truly acclimate, it is better off to drip acclimate for an hour and then put it in.
 
What if I just pierce the bag with a small hole, will all the carbon dioxide still gas off the water?
If they do add something to detoxify ammonia, that lasts around 24 hours so you'll have time to do your usual acclimatisation.
Would making a hole in the bag allow tank water in? Or would it just allow the air to bubble out and deflate the bag? You could always test it in a basin of water with a freezer bag or something part filled with water and tied tight.

London usually has hard water, but I don't know whether Manchester has hard, soft or middling :unsure:
 

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