An interesting question/debate...

[itiwhetu]

And yet you are defending those who think it is? That seems counterintuitive to me.

The only reason I got involved in this is because in post #27 you said that, people with different views than yours were ignorant, which is about the most arrogant thing someone can say.

 

[Oblio]

I was in the Peru in the 1990's. At the foothills of the Andes. There was a Solar eclipse, the native tribes people thought that the world was going to end. They prayed to the gods to save them, their prays were appreciated by the gods and the world wasn't destroyed.

You should have demanded gold 1 hour prior, and threaten destroying the world if they did not give it to you.
Wait 1 hour
Collect Gold

 

[PheonixKingZ]

The only reason I got involved in this is because in post #27 you said that, people with different views than yours were ignorant, which is about the most arrogant thing someone can say.

If I was the only person on the globe (pun not intended, but recommend) that believed the earth wasn’t flat, then it would be MY opinion. TONS of people believe the earth is not flat. There’s been scientific proof over and over again, proving the earth is not flat.

I would get attacked even if I had the completely opposite opinion.

 

[itiwhetu]

If I was the only person on the globe (pun not intended, but recommend) that believed the earth wasn’t flat, then it would be MY opinion. TONS of people believe the earth is not flat. There’s been scientific proof over and over again, proving the earth is not flat.

I would get attacked even if I had the completely opposite opinion.

I will say it to you one more time. If you hadn't been taught that the earth is round. What would make you think it is on a day-to-day basis? Most civilizations thought the world was flat at some time, Our perspective of the earth is that it would be flat.

 

[Fishmanic]

If the world were flat, if you ran to one end of the earth, you would then fall off the edge

 

[itiwhetu]

If the world were flat, if you ran to one end of the earth, you would then fall off the edge

If you are going to run to the end, just make sure you are wearing good shoes and have had a good breakfast

 

[PheonixKingZ]

I will say it to you one more time. If you hadn't been taught that the earth is round. What would make you think it is on a day-to-day basis? Most civilizations thought the world was flat at some time, Our perspective of the earth is that it would be flat.

Yeah, until Columbus set sail and didn’t sail off the end of the earth. He proves right then and there that the earth wasn’t flat.

What would make you think it is on a day-to-day basis?

I would take a look at the globe in my classroom or just Google a picture of the earth. Or just Google the millions of results proving the earth is round.

 

[itiwhetu]

Yeah, until Columbus set sail and didn’t sail off the end of the earth. He proves right then and there that the earth wasn’t flat.


I would take a look at the globe in my classroom or just Google a picture of the earth. Or just Google the millions of results proving the earth is round.

You must learn to read what is written in front of you and then answer that question. Your comprehension of the written word is lacking. You will improve with age.

 

[Uberhoust]

I think I see where @itiwhetu is coming from. I am comfortable that the earth is round because I have been taught math and physics by others who got it from people who discovered the principles. Would I have been able to discover the principles given the information from direct observation? I kind of doubt it, not that many people are good at those kinds of discovery without background knowledge. You can see the effect of the curvature of the earth from the ocean without special tools but if you don't have the underlying geometry to make sense of the information you would not jump to the idea that the earth is a sphere. For kayak safety and navigation I have taught students that if you can see the ship's wake it is likely closer than 3 nautical miles away, this rule of thumb is based on the curvature of the earth, and the fact that most kayakers are only 2 to 2.5' off the water. Most people after the lessons can give you the rule but most, in my experience really don't understand the principle that it is based on the curvature of the earth. Some of these people are highly educated just not in that area.

Overall we all have our own unique set of experiences and opportunities, and knowledge, or the lack of it, shouldn't be used to imply or state the worth of a person.

It would be tough to argue that the earth isn't more or less spherical, but if someone doesn't believe it then at least in a public forum about fish keeping we shouldn't be applying what could be implied as a quality statement about people who believe the earth is flat.

That said this really was a tongue in check type post and even some of the presented evidence for a spherical earth is incorrect. IE a lunar eclipse path across the moon with a round edge could simply mean that the earth is flat and disk shape.

 

[PheonixKingZ]

How do you know it isn't flat? The only reason you know it isn't flat is because people have told you it isn't, what if those people are lying to you?

For example: How do humans know they have a brain? Have they ever actually seen it? I’m not talking X-rays or photos, have they actually seen their brain?

 

[itiwhetu]

For example: How do humans know they have a brain? Have they ever actually seen it? I’m not talking X-rays or photos, have they actually seen their brain?

Does it matter? Does a fish know if it has a brain? The fact we assume, that a fish doesn't know it has a brain, doesn't mean the fish can't have a normal fish life.

 

[PheonixKingZ]

Does it matter? Does a fish know if it has a brain? The fact we assume, that a fish doesn't know it has a brain, doesn't mean the fish can't have a normal fish life.

Do you defend people that think other humans don’t have a brain? It’s the same situation with you defending people who think the earth is flat.

 

[coriesinhawaii]

Be careful about how rude you are about people who believe the earth is flat.

Remember a lot of the indigenous people will believe this, and some of those people will be collecting fish from their water ways for your tanks. Just because you have been told the world is round not everyone has been taught the same things, it doesn't make them ignorant, it just means they have been taught differently.

I agree as far as the indigenous peoples go. I think the contempt is directed more towards educated people who think it’s just a conspiracy. That would have to be one hell of a conspiracy.

 

[Oblio]

Advancements in science (and Math and Engineering ) necessarily rely on standing on the shoulders of giants.
It would be impossible to move forward if we had to start from scratch. The scientific method (repeatable, falsifiable, experiments) is key to this.
IOW, we don't need to repeat the experiments each generation to validate the findings of Maxwell, Poynting, Ampere, Gauss et. al.

 

[Oblio]

I agree as far as the indigenous peoples go. I think the contempt is directed more towards educated people who think it’s just a conspiracy. That would have to be one hell of a conspiracy.

I believe (with no experimental proof), that a not insignificant portion of these educated people are just trolling.

On another media channel (MeWe IIRC), there is a persistent, obsessive 9/11 Truther. 90% of his posts discuss his conspiracy theory. What makes it frustrating is that he has enough (barely Middle School) level of Physics knowledge to make his rambling seem plausible to those who do not have more advanced knowledge.