Sensesfail Tank Journal

Hi SensesFail,

OK, I've just read back through and tried to work on some things. I wasn't familiar with the Aquis 1050 but the top google result happened to be a handy thread right here in our own forum where member "Nobody of the Goat" had posted a link to the filter manual online, very handy! It sure looks like a bog standard (love that term, Miss Wiggle always used to use it, lol, must be UK) external cannister filter. I assume you are using the stock media suggestion? (noodles (ceramic rings) in the bottom, blue sponge above that, then next tray up black spong and finally "wool pad" (I wonder if that's another UKism for pad of polyfloss?) Anyway is that what you have?

K's post spurs me to a couple of thoughts - is it possible the Biomature might have actually -clogged- one of the media layers or something? Its possible we should consider checking inside the filter but maybe we should do that just a little farther down the road. At the moment I agree with K, what I'm seeing in your latest is that -finally- had a long slow downward slide in ammonia and when it got down to 1.2ppm you recharged the ammonia to 5, where its been for 2 days. Is this correct, is this where we are? If so then your fishless cycle -is- displaying a pattern I've seen before where its finally off to a start but there is some sort of factor making the reproductive rate of the Nitrosomonas very slow compared to usual.

I feel the plan should be to proceed through next week and if we see no drop in ammonia whatsoever we'll take an action, whereas if we do see a drop we should try to judge whether that drop is faster than before or the same. If there is no drop or if the rate is just as slow then I think we should take the disruptive action of looking inside the filter. The way we do this of course is in the middle of a gravel-clean-water-change (sound familiar?) We always drain to a catch-bucket so we have some current tank water in which to examine our filter media. During a fishless cycle we would want only the most gentle dunking of media in this bucket water, so that we determine if the main sponge (the blue one I'd guess) was somehow clogged and if it was it would get a gentle squeeze (or, of course, we're also trying to see if there is something major wrong here, a true clog for instance)... all this is probably unlikely and the real culprit is some invisible chemistry thing we can't measure (eg. your town's water has some trace mineral/chemical in high enough quantity that the bacteria don't like it (great for humans, bad for bacteria!)

Like I suggest though, I think we should first go the "do not disturb" route in case that first slow drop in ammonia was the beginning of something good finally. Some people get their horrible stage over with during the first stage and then don't have as much trouble with the other two stages and that might be you. You appear to be doing the most important things right: temp is 29C, pH is 8, ammonia has no soaps, surfactants, dyes or fragrances I assume.. all that. And, as always, remind us again how many days total in this latest attempt (I hate dates because "day x" allows me to cruise through more cases in a morning without doing so much searching and calculating - there are usually a dozen or more beginners with problems, at least sometimes.)

~~waterdrop~~ :D
 
Hi SensesFail,

OK, I've just read back through and tried to work on some things. I wasn't familiar with the Aquis 1050 but the top google result happened to be a handy thread right here in our own forum where member "Nobody of the Goat" had posted a link to the filter manual online, very handy! It sure looks like a bog standard (love that term, Miss Wiggle always used to use it, lol, must be UK) external cannister filter. I assume you are using the stock media suggestion? (noodles (ceramic rings) in the bottom, blue sponge above that, then next tray up black spong and finally "wool pad" (I wonder if that's another UKism for pad of polyfloss?) Anyway is that what you have?

Yer that's in my bog standard canister filter :p haha good saying.
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K's post spurs me to a couple of thoughts - is it possible the Biomature might have actually -clogged- one of the media layers or something? Its possible we should consider checking inside the filter but maybe we should do that just a little farther down the road. At the moment I agree with K, what I'm seeing in your latest is that -finally- had a long slow downward slide in ammonia and when it got down to 1.2ppm you recharged the ammonia to 5, where its been for 2 days. Is this correct, is this where we are? If so then your fishless cycle -is- displaying a pattern I've seen before where its finally off to a start but there is some sort of factor making the reproductive rate of the Nitrosomonas very slow compared to usual.

Yer this stage at the moment :)

I feel the plan should be to proceed through next week and if we see no drop in ammonia whatsoever we'll take an action, whereas if we do see a drop we should try to judge whether that drop is faster than before or the same. If there is no drop or if the rate is just as slow then I think we should take the disruptive action of looking inside the filter. The way we do this of course is in the middle of a gravel-clean-water-change (sound familiar?) We always drain to a catch-bucket so we have some current tank water in which to examine our filter media. During a fishless cycle we would want only the most gentle dunking of media in this bucket water, so that we determine if the main sponge (the blue one I'd guess) was somehow clogged and if it was it would get a gentle squeeze (or, of course, we're also trying to see if there is something major wrong here, a true clog for instance)... all this is probably unlikely and the real culprit is some invisible chemistry thing we can't measure (eg. your town's water has some trace mineral/chemical in high enough quantity that the bacteria don't like it (great for humans, bad for bacteria!)

Like I suggest though, I think we should first go the "do not disturb" route in case that first slow drop in ammonia was the beginning of something good finally. Some people get their horrible stage over with during the first stage and then don't have as much trouble with the other two stages and that might be you. You appear to be doing the most important things right: temp is 29C, pH is 8, ammonia has no soaps, surfactants, dyes or fragrances I assume.. all that. And, as always, remind us again how many days total in this latest attempt (I hate dates because "day x" allows me to cruise through more cases in a morning without doing so much searching and calculating - there are usually a dozen or more beginners with problems, at least sometimes.)

45 days and counting in this latest attempt patience is a virtue as the say haha I in for the waiting game now if it takes another 3months that's fine hopefully I'll reach the goal haha that's for the help WD and everyone :) your help and timr is always appreciated

~~waterdrop~~ :D
 
I still think Barry White music is worth a try!!! :hey:
K
 
I still think Barry White music is worth a try!!! :hey:
K
Maybe toss an oyster and a couple of viagra in too :unsure:

And a Disco Ball. I should throw a few rockets in their!! Spur them along :-D i really hope it hap penes soon! But time will tell hey it could be my new years resolution! To buy some fish :-D my bits of wood are starting to get algae on the I need fish to clean up the joint will be plenty of it for them.

Will having the light off affect things also? At the moment its been switched off and only room light and natural day light have been used? Should I be running the lights in the tank for 10hrs a day to simulate what the fish will have?
 
Hahaha, you guys brighten up a boring Friday writing up day :lol:
 
Best to keep your lights off, you dont want to be dealing with an algae problem as well as impotent bacs

Hahaha, you guys brighten up a boring Friday writing up day :lol:
I can afford to be cheerful, I`ve got double zeros :D
 
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Show off!!

Have you tried a massive water change? Maybe the water you have in there has something delaying the nookie occuring??
K
 
I can afford to be cheerful, I`ve got double zeros :D
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Show off!!

Have you tried a massive water change? Maybe the water you have in there has something delaying the nookie occuring??
K
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I asked my mother to pick me up bionoods from my LFS and it had the guys number for me to call for help. I gave him a call and he advised me to do a 50% water change now as my ammonia was 5ppm and he said leave it for 2 days then do another water change and if ammonia is present leave it at what it is for another 2 days and do another water change. He recommended doing that till ammonia was 0ppm then do it all over again until the ammonia is processed within 12hrs is this ok?

He advised to put the bio max into the filter along with some of the old bionoods (as much as the basket can hold) is this ok?
 
Did your lfs man think you were going fish-in cycle? You gonna be adding more ammonia after each water change? If youre not, course the ammonias gonna be dropping, youre removing it when you do each water change??!

If I were you, id do a 75% water change, get your ammonia back up to 4-5ppm and see how it goes, sometime renewing the water feeds the bacteria some of the minerals they need to give them a kickstart.

K
 
Did your lfs man think you were going fish-in cycle? You gonna be adding more ammonia after each water change? If youre not, course the ammonias gonna be dropping, youre removing it when you do each water change??!

If I were you, id do a 75% water change, get your ammonia back up to 4-5ppm and see how it goes, sometime renewing the water feeds the bacteria some of the minerals they need to give them a kickstart.

K


No i explained what i had been doing just adding and waiting. He was saying by having it at 5ppm for 2 days, do a water change and test it, if it still contains ammonia then leave it for another 2 days before doing the next water change. Only topping it back to 5ppm once it had no ammonia left. He said 5ppm may be too much for the filter and by lowering it with the water changes and leaving it for 2 days, it gives will give it a lower concentration to deal with. He said eventually it will process the 5ppm within 12hrs.

Thats what i interpreted his instructions as being. Is this correct and by doing the water changes will this work or halt the process? Would i be better doing a higher water change or lower? I was told to do 50% but when i did it the other day i had 5PPM in the tank and when i did a 50% water change i had less than one? so i must of had less than 5 in to start with? because surely changing 50% would still leave me with more than 1ppm not less? i topped it back to 5ppm after the 50% water change. 2 days on my ammonia looks to be around 4ppm but no Nitrites have turned up?

I wonder if my tank will ever work :- ( spent alot of time and money into it and i have no fishies after 3.5 months :-(

Thanks guys :)

 
The rule regarding 50% WC = 50% drop in ammonia is not hard and fast so dont stress about your levels dropping too much.

I dont think your fishy man was very clued up on fishless cycling, your bacs need ammonia to grow, its their food. Why not do a huge water change today, as much as you can get out, refill with dechlored water, re top up your ammonia to 4-5ppm, see how your bacs like the refresh of surroundings (call it a spring clean). It wont damage the bacteria you already have, all it could do is top up anything your lacking in your tank.

As for your Nitrite, im processing 4ppm to 0 in about 36hrs at the mo and my nitrite is very minimal levels still, so dont panic, just concentrate on your Abacs before thinking about Nbacs!

K

ps, i started cycling my tank 10th August, so were on about the same timeframe.
 
The rule regarding 50% WC = 50% drop in ammonia is not hard and fast so dont stress about your levels dropping too much.

I dont think your fishy man was very clued up on fishless cycling, your bacs need ammonia to grow, its their food. Why not do a huge water change today, as much as you can get out, refill with dechlored water, re top up your ammonia to 4-5ppm, see how your bacs like the refresh of surroundings (call it a spring clean). It wont damage the bacteria you already have, all it could do is top up anything your lacking in your tank.

As for your Nitrite, im processing 4ppm to 0 in about 36hrs at the mo and my nitrite is very minimal levels still, so dont panic, just concentrate on your Abacs before thinking about Nbacs!

K

ps, i started cycling my tank 10th August, so were on about the same timeframe.

I shall do a change 2 moro :) and then top back to 5ppm ammonia? after iv done this do i keep up with th water changes every 2-3 days and topping back up or just leave it for abit after changing the water again tomorrow? i shall post my latest readings :) continuing from the previous ones
 

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Yeah, change water, top up to 5ppm then carry on doing what youve been doing for the past gazillion weeks! wait. Fingers crossed your ppm decreases speed up!!

K
 
Changed 90litres again today leaving 0.6 ammonia So i topped it up to around 5ppm( slightly under) am I Best just
Leaving it or do a water change again in a few days?
 

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