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I didn't read any of the longer posts (I'm just too tired to do that now!!) so please forgive me if this has already been addressed.

I have read some of those peoples statements on Youtube about how the Piranhas wont eat dead creatures and that you need live animals in the tank for them to eat....to me this sound like utter rubbish but I'd like to hear the truth from those of you who know what they are taking about!!

Thanks!
 
Great post, Gatorbait, didn't knew you knew so much about piranhas, I didn't know they could take your hand off in two bites.


As for the mouse, I hate it when people do things like that. I don't watch animal planet anymore after Steve Irwin's death (he was my idol :( ) and all the animal cruelty shows that are on now. I can't stand that people are so mean to animals like that. I remember one of my friends did a science project with goldfish and how caffeine affected them and I was ready to call the RSPCA on her because she was keeping them in small, unfiltered bowls. Piranhas and goldfish are the most misunderstood fish ever, I hate it so much.

Sorry this was more of a rant than anything, but it makes me so angry that people could feed a mouse to piranhas just for entertainment.


Yes, good point, goldfish are very much like piranhas in the way they are abused. I didn't even think about that.

I've only had 7 of the 60 or so species of piranhas so that's all the ones I really know about. The above is also just a very quick generalization of what I have now. Even with the above, I've had both ends of the spectrum from more skittish to downright terrors.

It's been said that a rhom can take your hand off with 2 bites but I've never seen it but I believe they probably could. I have a couple pics I found online, I will post them in a few minutes.

I hope you guys will put up with me when people show vids like this. It's in no way meant in a bad light to whoever posts it but it hurts the piranha world and I'm just trying to help them.
 
OOops i didnt read the post before ticking the poll, so one of the 'yes' votes is from me - no i dont agree with live feeding of any mammal or fish to another animal - crickets, bloodworm etc yes, beyond that, no.

AFAIK, in the uk it IS illegal to live feed mice and rats to snakes i think, so id assume its the same for mice to p's..... dont know about goldfish to p's but i think using live bait when fishing is illegal so id be suprised .... (actually no i wouldnt as animal welfare in the uk appears to have forgotten the existance of fish).

Grr. Its disgusting and i seriously have to worry about what else a person can do if they find watching one animal struggling in fear to get away from another in a totally unnatural set up 'amusing'.
 
I didn't read any of the longer posts (I'm just too tired to do that now!!) so please forgive me if this has already been addressed.

I have read some of those peoples statements on Youtube about how the Piranhas wont eat dead creatures and that you need live animals in the tank for them to eat....to me this sound like utter rubbish but I'd like to hear the truth from those of you who know what they are taking about!!

Thanks!

It depends, really.

When very small, generally, the Serrasalmus species have a hard time being converted from live fish. I've just had my S. rhombeus converted after about a month of trying. The last rhom I had it took many months and even a spell 5 weeks without food before I gave in and got feeders for him. They won't starve themselves but I chickened out. I did eventually get him onto non-live fish. That was my worst case. elongatus was the 2nd worse and the others took maybe a month to month and a half at the longest.

Pygo's have always been very easy for me. Not sure exactly but off the top of my head (so don't quote me if I say something different in the future lol) I think a wek and a half was the longest it ever took for me and usually within the first 4 or 5 days...and that's without feeding them the first day.

I don't see any reason for a mature piranha or even close to mature to be eating only live fish unless that is what the owner wants and never tried to convert him.

Edit: What type of piranha was it? I can probably guess that it's a rbp so I can say with almost 100% certainty (especially if it's over 4" big) that they are using that as an excuse and probably using "It will only eat live fish" as an excuse and machismo.
 
If you can't feed a snake a rat or mouse in the uk then what the hell do you feed them. Also the piranah videoes you have to go look for them specificly to find them. So if your lokking for them don't gripe when you find them. Everything has its place in the food chain and piranahs are close to the top if there not at the top. On this planet your either predator or prey. Also a frozen thawed animal has less nutrtion that a live animal , the amout depends on temp and length of being frozen. Have you ever seen a bunch of mice or rats being put down to be frozen , sorry but i would rather be eaten alive i think it would be quicker in my opinion.
 
Here we go, the "it's nature" crap again....like they'd naturally be hand fed mice/goldfish in the wild - hmm - yep, that's natural.

Anyhoo, I dont know anything about Ps, but Gator sounds like the expert - I though (and forgive me if I'm wrong) that pirhanas in the wild are more likely to eat dead animals, not live ones? And it was just bad press about them being vicious killers.

Like I said, I'm probably wrong...but if I am, blame Animal Planet lol (incidentally, I watch it more since Steve Irwin died, now his shows - that was animal cruelty).
 
Yes - but some of us at least try to give them as near to wild conditions as we can. Like keeping them at the right temps for a start off. By your own admission, these fish are used to freedom - how often do you think they are trapped in a small area and thrown rodents in the wild? Or goldfish?

Goldfish are not a pirhana's natural food - it's like feeding your kids McDoodies day in day out - nothing nutritious about it, nothing natural about it. So your argument is very flawed.

And what's wrong with feeding already dead if you have to anyway? Nothing natural about sticking a live mouse in a fish tank with a predatory fish. If you do it - you're doing it because you like to watch animals die, and that makes you a pretty sick person...
 
Ive cleaned this thread up and removed the troll who derailed it last time so lets try and keep it clean and calm now, there is some good information in this thread so it would be a shame to lose it to the junk forum.
 
If you can't feed a snake a rat or mouse in the uk then what the hell do you feed them. Also the piranah videoes you have to go look for them specificly to find them. So if your lokking for them don't gripe when you find them. Everything has its place in the food chain and piranahs are close to the top if there not at the top. On this planet your either predator or prey. Also a frozen thawed animal has less nutrtion that a live animal , the amout depends on temp and length of being frozen. Have you ever seen a bunch of mice or rats being put down to be frozen , sorry but i would rather be eaten alive i think it would be quicker in my opinion.

this is my thinking too! especially on the vid, how can people complain about something, they actually went looking for? and for the life of me i can't understand, how once found. having upset them so much, they then go and link it, and show it to more people???? i feel the best way to deal with stuff like that is to ignore it. lol the less people who see it the better.

i remember a post some time ago. linking a vid of a Crayfish, something close to my heart, being eaten by a large puffer fish, yet this brought no ill comments. indeed the noise the cray made as it was bitten in half, seemed to amuse some!

what is, if any, is the difference?

i have to thank Gatorbait for the info on these fish. :good: :good: :good: :good:
 
I agree with Gatorbait that it's a shame that piranhas get a bad press just because they eat live fish and animals.

I think there are two arguments involved here:

The first is, is it right to cause suffering to one fish to feed another? Here, tbh I don't think any of us have a lot to say. Not if we feed fish flakes anyway. The fish content of these flakes has got to come from somewhere. I've been out with trawlers, I'd rather be torn apart by piranhas if I had a choice. Fisherman can't go around humanely killing each individual fish out of several tonnes a haul, so they die a slow suffocating death. Anyone who feeds a fish flake accepts that this happens.

The second argument, and I think this is valid, is that we quite rightly have reservations about any person who deliberately creates and then sits down to film a scene of fish being torn apart in an unnatural situation. Basically, we have an instinctive feeling about what constitutes healthy human behaviour and wanting to watch and enjoy suffering for its own sake is not it. Let's put it this way- that was a lovely chicken dinner we had last night, most of you probably don't mind my saying so, but if I were to post "scenes from the chicken slaugherhouse" on the net, you would start thinking there was something not quite right with me. If I lived on a farm, I might have to learn to kill chickens, and I would probably be able to do so, but enjoying it is a totally different matter.

This feeling becomes even more marked if you are somebody particularly fond of piranhas, you don't want to feel that people are keeping these beautiful fish for totally wrong reasons.
 
Oh god I saw that clip on youtube and it was awful. Not only did he do that but he weighed the poor mouse down by its tail. It really upset me to watch the poor mouse trying to swim up but couldnt because of the weight. I left a comment to the guy and reported it to youtube :angry:

Ive seen horrific fish cruelty on there :sad:
 
Sorry to go off one one but I get so angry when people find torturing any living creature is fun to watch.

I don't understand wanting a piranha, but I wouldn't stop people having them, if they knew there needs and well looked after.
But not a live mouse or goldfish.

I agree wholeheartedly with you. You're a great poster, help many people and have a huge heart, I've seen your posts.

I shouldn't have quoted you at all and regret it. I'm sorry. I am against all forms of censorship on the internt tho because where would we stop? If it's legal it should be allowed. Let's get these scumbags to get rid of the fish and not be able to keep them. That would do more as if you just delete it from the internet, they will still be abusing mice in their home, you and I just won't be able to see it.

I am just tired of all the stereotyping and bad press of the piranhas on this forum. people go to another site, see something like that (This was just talked about not too long ago also) and then post it here and everyones horrified by it. Then people stereotype piranhas even more and don't want to learn about them and hate them more.

If you saw my piranhas or anyones that had them that cared about them, you'd change your mind. You may not want one but you will actually see why others may want one.

they aren't the ferocious killers and most but not all are very shy. I only feed live fish when I have to...ie. some serra species will only eat live fish until you wean them. Sometimes it takes a week,month or half a year, especially with a Serra rhombeus or elongatus. (I've fasted my last rhom almost 5 weeks to try and break him but it didn't work so I gave in but kept trying) I was lucky with the one I have now, it only took 2 months but you can believe he'll never eat live fish again. So just because I keep piranhas doesn't mean I enjoy abusing or am a bad person and the same with others that keep them.


I can understand your veiw there. I was horrified at the video in mention on youtube as it was shear crulety to the mouse having weighed it down to suffer, it was the people that did that disgusts me, not the fact the piranhas are just being piranhas and eating what there fed. I dont judge the fish by that at all. I think there grand fish, though not for me, way out my league from neons and corys lol.

Its like I own a staffordshire bull terrier and my dog is judged along side the pitbull Types and dangouras dogs now, I get all sorts of aomments when walking him and it annoys, esp when I go on youtube and you see other idiots on there wth staffords, taumenting them so the dog growls and snaps :angry: This again portrays a bad image just because stupid people want fun.
 
Here we go, the "it's nature" crap again....like they'd naturally be hand fed mice/goldfish in the wild - hmm - yep, that's natural.

Anyhoo, I dont know anything about Ps, but Gator sounds like the expert - I though (and forgive me if I'm wrong) that pirhanas in the wild are more likely to eat dead animals, not live ones? And it was just bad press about them being vicious killers.

Like I said, I'm probably wrong...but if I am, blame Animal Planet lol (incidentally, I watch it more since Steve Irwin died, now his shows - that was animal cruelty).

First I want to say thank you to CFC for bringing this thread back and spending his own time to make it a better thread for all of us. I asked him what happened to it and he said it got out of hand, he could have just left it at that, and had every right to, but he went out of his way to clean it up and make it available to all of us. So again Thank you, CFC.

You're partially correct, Lisa. Piranhas will eat dead animals in the wild.

The Pygocentrus (Pygo's) travel in loosely formed shoals where competition for food is much greater so they will look for anything they can get. They will sometimes kill healthy fish but that wouldn't be the norm. They are more or less scavengers and seek out any weakness amongst a school of fish. Piranhas are one of the best at seeking the tiniest of wekness that even we wouldn't notice. The vibration of a fish swimming differently, the way it floats when still etc.

Serrasalmus, like S. rhombeus (rhom) sometimes travel in loose shoals but they are much smaller shoals and they are more apt to be alone and not travel among that shoal for very long. They are the ones that it's harder to convert to non-live fish.

I'd say that all in all, piranhas are "opportunistic" predators. They are some of the quickest fish in the water but they can't go for long periods, it's more like short bursts so they don't waste their time going after healthy fish as much. They are very sneaky also. They will catch their prey in different ways. They will ambush, straight out swim and catch and also stay visible for other schools acting nonchalant and circle, with each few circles getting closer and closer until he's within attack range.


Edit: The bad press started with theodore Roosevelt and ihs travels to S.A. The locals put a cow in the water and the piranhas tore it down to the bone in just a couple minutes. he came back to the US and talked of these piranhas as man-eaters and pumped them up. Which I would have thought so too but read on...

Since then, it has been said that it was staged. They kept the piranhas in side the same stretch of river withing a fence, starved them (I don't remember how long tbh) and then when Roosevelt was there added the cow to the starving piranhas.

In some cases like this, I agree that piranhas can be extremely vicious but it's not a very good indication of the species. I would think most fish that were starved like this could become "terrors" trying to eat so they can live. My Zebra Danios go after food much harder than most piranhas I've had. :lol:

The locals swim, bathe and even cut their fish right in the river where piranhas are present. They'll even drop the innards to the piranhas and from just a few feet away they swim in, take and hurry away as fast as they can. There are cases of someone being bitten but they are few and far between. The locals know more about piranhas (RBP's mainly) than any of us do and they aren't afraid of them, so they can't be all that bad.
 
This is a touchy subject. I think the mouse thing was cruel, idiotic and uncalled for, but on the other hand i use 40-50 feeder fish each week (mainly because of the cost) Am i not just as cruel, or even more so as the guy with the mouse.
 
I agree with Gatorbait that it's a shame that piranhas get a bad press just because they eat live fish and animals.

I think there are two arguments involved here:

The first is, is it right to cause suffering to one fish to feed another? Here, tbh I don't think any of us have a lot to say. Not if we feed fish flakes anyway. The fish content of these flakes has got to come from somewhere. I've been out with trawlers, I'd rather be torn apart by piranhas if I had a choice. Fisherman can't go around humanely killing each individual fish out of several tonnes a haul, so they die a slow suffocating death. Anyone who feeds a fish flake accepts that this happens.

The second argument, and I think this is valid, is that we quite rightly have reservations about any person who deliberately creates and then sits down to film a scene of fish being torn apart in an unnatural situation. Basically, we have an instinctive feeling about what constitutes healthy human behaviour and wanting to watch and enjoy suffering for its own sake is not it. Let's put it this way- that was a lovely chicken dinner we had last night, most of you probably don't mind my saying so, but if I were to post "scenes from the chicken slaugherhouse" on the net, you would start thinking there was something not quite right with me. If I lived on a farm, I might have to learn to kill chickens, and I would probably be able to do so, but enjoying it is a totally different matter.

This feeling becomes even more marked if you are somebody particularly fond of piranhas, you don't want to feel that people are keeping these beautiful fish for totally wrong reasons.

You make an excellent argument here. I'd love to hear others opinions on this also.

Your last sentence is exactly why I even posted in this thread. There were a couple of other threads like this and I stayed out for the most part but my favorite fish is the piranha and I'm sitting here thinking "This isn't what piranhas are like. This is a staged setting." and the people posted, perhaps rightfully so given the situation, how horrible it is and how bad piranhas are. In reality, it's the people that do this type of thing and enjoy it that should be considered more in a negative light than the piranhas doing what they are doing which to them is just surviving.


Its like I own a staffordshire bull terrier and my dog is judged along side the pitbull Types and dangouras dogs now, I get all sorts of aomments when walking him and it annoys, esp when I go on youtube and you see other idiots on there wth staffords, taumenting them so the dog growls and snaps This again portrays a bad image just because stupid people want fun.
Yes, AndreaC, that's exactly the same thing I feel here. You hit the nail on the head. :)


This is a touchy subject. I think the mouse thing was cruel, idiotic and uncalled for, but on the other hand i use 40-50 feeder fish each week (mainly because of the cost) Am i not just as cruel, or even more so as the guy with the mouse.

I think we are all like that to an extent. I could be wrong but maybe it's because we don't want to see things with a peersonality be hurt. Live worms are ok because we can't get attached to them. Some could be attached to a mouse and they see the struggle it goes through to try and get away. I think that combination may be the difference.

What do you guys think? Am I close or way off here? :)
 

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