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[YoungFishBreeder]

So well my sister's Yorkie Recently had pups and we were wondering what to whelp them on. The mother eats puppy packet food.
Should we Buy the special whelping dried food or just mix her food or puppy dried food with water?
What do you all use to wean your puppy's (I understand there is a few breeders on here. ...)
May post some pictures, Is it unusuall for them to *Expel Waste* on their own ?

They Were born on 10/12/06 there eyes and ears are open, and the ***** wants to leave them more.

All the best

 

[KathyM]

If they were born on the 10th December, they're not ready to be weaned yet? Mum should be looking after them still and the vet is the best person to deal with problems such as the mum not wanting to feed (could be mastitis?), problems with the pups' waste, etc. I assume this was an accidental litter?

NatureDiet is a good prepared food for both Mum and pups (when theyre ready) if that helps. Many commercial foods aren't that cracking and some more of the better known brands (Pedigree, Bakers, etc) are basically empty calories with colourants and additives.

 

[grahamsokel]

we get Pedigree puppy poridge for our pups but you can not buy it in shops you have to be a redgistered breeder to buy it.We only give them a small amount as it can be given from 2 weeks old and we start to wean onto proper food at 4 weeks old

 

[fenwoman]

So well my sister's Yorkie Recently had pups and we were wondering what to whelp them on. The mother eats puppy packet food.
Should we Buy the special whelping dried food or just mix her food or puppy dried food with water?
What do you all use to wean your puppy's (I understand there is a few breeders on here. ...)
May post some pictures, Is it unusuall for them to *Expel Waste* on their own ?

They Were born on 10/12/06 there eyes and ears are open, and the ***** wants to leave them more.

All the best

I assume you mean weaning food? They will not be ready for weaning until they are at least 4 weeks old if not older. Yorkies are slower to start weaning than larger breeds. I used to breed them. The ***** should be fed as much as she wants to eat of a high quality puppy kibble, plus scrambled eggs, cooked mince, beef heart, cottage cheese etc. She should also have access to water at all times. She should not be getting fed up of the pups already. When you say "expel waste" do you mean poo? They are able to poo but the mother should be licking them to encourage defecation and then eats it.
Breeding dogs is hard work and the breeder should really know what they are doing. To be honest I firmly believe that people who want to breed should be licenced by law and have to pass some sort of test as lack of knowledge usually means weakly pups or a badly pulled down *****. The puppies will not be ready to leave mum completely until they are 10 weeks old.
I take it that the ***** was never taken to a vet during the pregnancy nor after whelping to check that everything is as it should be? I get really cross with backyard breeders as both pups and mum usually end up suffering and bitches are often bred far too young with cash being the prime concern. I hope your sister will get the ***** spayed as soon as it is possible to do so.
I used to breed and show but now do rescue and fostering and run a pet advice line.

 

[fenwoman]

we get Pedigree puppy poridge for our pups but you can not buy it in shops you have to be a redgistered breeder to buy it.We only give them a small amount as it can be given from 2 weeks old and we start to wean onto proper food at 4 weeks old

Graham you cannot wean yorkie pups at 2 weeks old. In fact I would never suggest to anyone that they try weaning any breed of pup at this young age since they don't have the nezymes to digest anything other than the mothers milk. When I bred and showed my large breed, I would start weaning the pups at just after 3 weeks, but the toy and small breeds I kept were nowhere near ready to begin weaning until they were 4 or 5 weeks old.

 

[black angel]

If she isnt cleaning the pups then you need to find out why and fast. I would give the vet a call and ask for some help. Is this her first litter? Are there lots of people around picking the pups up or just not leaving her in peace?
Look in the yellow pages for other breeders and see if anyone can help you.

 

[grahamsokel]

we get Pedigree puppy poridge for our pups but you can not buy it in shops you have to be a redgistered breeder to buy it.We only give them a small amount as it can be given from 2 weeks old and we start to wean onto proper food at 4 weeks old

Graham you cannot wean yorkie pups at 2 weeks old. In fact I would never suggest to anyone that they try weaning any breed of pup at this young age since they don't have the nezymes to digest anything other than the mothers milk. When I bred and showed my large breed, I would start weaning the pups at just after 3 weeks, but the toy and small breeds I kept were nowhere near ready to begin weaning until they were 4 or 5 weeks old.

I have been using it for our Dachshunds for 7 years and been showing and breeding for 20+ years and my parents for many years before that

if it is a large litter we start to wean earlier than we do if it is a small litter to take the preasure off the mum
this is the product we use as do hundreds of our friends in the dog world
It obviously hasnt done any harm to the pups as many have had best pup in breed at Crufts and gone on tobecome champions

http/www.pedigreebreederservice.co.uk/br...py_Porridge.asp

 

[YoungFishBreeder]

If they were born on the 10th December, they're not ready to be weaned yet? Mum should be looking after them still and the vet is the best person to deal with problems such as the mum not wanting to feed (could be mastitis?), problems with the pups' waste, etc. I assume this was an accidental litter?

NatureDiet is a good prepared food for both Mum and pups (when there ready) if that helps. Many commercial foods aren't that cracking and some more of the better known brands (Pedigree, Bakers, etc) are basically empty calories with colourants and additives.

No this Was a carefully planned litter, they were bred by the book with vet visits before and after, the mother definatly doesn’t have mastitis, they are developing much sooner than they should do , there eyes opened 4 days before they should have and they are peeing and pooing on their own. But the mother still helps occasionally there only 3 days away from 3 weeks. They are fully active and walking and willing to try food. I did mean weaning sorry... We have brought a bag of the weaning food from the vets. We are close friends with a breeder and were just seeking other people opinions.

So well my sister's Yorkie Recently had pups and we were wondering what to whelp them on. The mother eats puppy packet food.
Should we Buy the special whelping dried food or just mix her food or puppy dried food with water?
What do you all use to wean your puppy's (I understand there is a few breeders on here. ...)
May post some pictures, Is it unusual for them to *Expel Waste* on their own ?

They Were born on 10/12/06 there eyes and ears are open, and the ***** wants to leave them more.

All the best

I assume you mean weaning food? They will not be ready for weaning until they are at least 4 weeks old if not older. Yorkies are slower to start weaning than larger breeds. I used to breed them. The ***** should be fed as much as she wants to eat of a high quality puppy kibble, plus scrambled eggs, cooked mince, beef heart, cottage cheese etc. She should also have access to water at all times. She should not be getting fed up of the pups already. When you say "expel waste" do you mean poo? They are able to poo but the mother should be licking them to encourage defecation and then eats it.
Breeding dogs is hard work and the breeder should really know what they are doing. To be honest I firmly believe that people who want to breed should be licensed by law and have to pass some sort of test as lack of knowledge usually means weakly pups or a badly pulled down *****. The puppies will not be ready to leave mum completely until they are 10 weeks old.
I take it that the ***** was never taken to a vet during the pregnancy nor after whelping to check that everything is as it should be? I get really cross with backyard breeders as both pups and mum usually end up suffering and bitches are often bred far too young with cash being the prime concern. I hope your sister will get the ***** spayed as soon as it is possible to do so.
I used to breed and show but now do rescue and fostering and run a pet advice line.

The ***** is being fed puppy food, I think its the scientific plan or hills, One like that anyway she has water all the time and her food as well, She gets fed chicken breast not bones they can cause constipation she is not fed other scraps as it can harm the puppies but she is fed meat when ever possible. they wee and poo with out encouragement, And yes the breeder has read up about it she spent weeks talking to other breeders our friend and reading books We were advised by one breeder to leave the pups out in a shed with a hot water bottle, I read up too as I had to look after the pups while she was out, And I delivered the pups myself, here is the equipment we had:
Artery forceps (sterilised)
Scissors (sterilised)
Kidney dish
Gloves
Alcohol preparation wipes
Iodine
cotton balls
hand sanitizer
Birthing Box
Lactol
feeding
digital thermometer
Puppy identity bands
The vet was also consulted and we also informed him when she was in labour and had her checked right after. The ***** ( Pippi ) Was not bred for cash but so we could Rehome the Puppies and give people the same enjoyment of the breed as what we have had. She was fully checked by her vet before hand and given the go ahead as was the male. She has had two pups I’m having the girl and the boy is going to a woman with the funds to look after it and previous yorkie ownership and we have also offered to accept the dog back if there is any problems with a full refund We have been to see her home and it s more than safe ( the dogs get more than me for Christmas) we would have not bred her if we didn’t have the funds or knowledge or she would have problems . And just as a fact it has cost us more in vet fees and the set up than she will get pups are going for £350, Just under the normal Price for a Pedigree. Puppies are going for a heath check before they are Rehomed. If there was a test both I and my sister would have took it before we bred her.

Just in case your still not sure about my or my sisters knowledge I will tell you how I Birthed the pups, the contractions started at 11:51 and I got the stuff ready and brought pippi into her breeding box and the first puppy was delivered at 12:14 within the half an hour limit. I gave pippi around 20 seconds to burst the bag her self which she didn’t do , so I burst the First and second bag and cut the umbilical cord, The placenta was discarded and cleared up. The second pup (girl) Started to come out at 12:41 and was breeched so I had to Gently twist the pup who was stuck until she came out pippi would not break the sacks again so I broke the two sacks and cut the umbilical cord, This time pippi ate the placenta and started licking the pup as she did the first, all sacks were broke within a minute I noticed that the second pup was not breathing so I took over and rubbed the pup with a new cotton towel, This did not help so I did the method where you swing the pup to clear fluids this didn’t work. So I resulted finally to blowing in the pups nostrils gently which cleared the fluids and the puppy let loose a squeak of protest. After the ***** and pups had settled down I recorded there birth weights 3 ounce and 4 ounce then made sure they had there first feed.

If she isn’t cleaning the pups then you need to find out why and fast. I would give the vet a call and ask for some help. Is this her first litter? Are there lots of people around picking the pups up or just not leaving her in peace?
Look in the yellow pages for other breeders and see if anyone can help you.

The no Touch rule is in force still, No one is allowed to touch the puppies unless extremely necessary and before they do they must wash there hands and use the hand sanitizer. This is the bitches first litter she will feed them every 3 – 4 hours now used to be 1 - 2 hours, she is left in a room to herself unless she wants someone in, She like to have my sister in with her. She does clean the pups and stimulate them but they also pee and poo on there own.
We have contacted our pedigree breeder representative to enquire about things
I Hope this clears up any misjudgements
All the best
Robert
The puppies have their heat pad and blankets and it is changed everyday the room is also kept warm. We wouldn’t do anything to unnecessarily put a dog in danger especially not for money as we have said from the beginning pippi comes first.

We were warned that first breeders always get the lecture, But they said that's just what every breeder goes through.

 

[black angel]

This last post makes it really clear whats going on and tells us you have everything under control and done by the book.
Your first post came over as if you hadnt had any advice at all from anyone and you were now panicking because the ***** wasnt looking after the pups and you were trying to get them to eat adult food.

This is probably why people were jumping on you a bit.

Everyone has to start somewhere when breeding any animal, and you have done everything that I can see properly, and i want to wish you all the best for the pups finding happy homes.

Can youg et pics of them, would love to see them

 

[YoungFishBreeder]

This last post makes it really clear whats going on and tells us you have everything under control and done by the book.
Your first post came over as if you hadnt had any advice at all from anyone and you were now panicking because the ***** wasnt looking after the pups and you were trying to get them to eat adult food.

This is probably why people were jumping on you a bit.

Everyone has to start somewhere when breeding any animal, and you have done everything that I can see properly, and i want to wish you all the best for the pups finding happy homes.

Can youg et pics of them, would love to see them

I will take some pic's , sorry for the way the first post came across

 

[grahamsokel]

Dont worry about your first post,You have everything in hand and it makes no difference if your a first time breeder or a long standing accredited breeder some of the other breeders will not agree with your methods.
I know one old breeder that was horrified that i actually gave my new mums meat in the first week after welping
they insisted that they should be fed on what she called Boiley (bread soaked in wark milk)But i stick with the chopped up Steak for mine
look forward to the Pics

 

[LisaLQ]

It read to me a bit as if it'd been copied off a webpage personally.

Sorry but you cant have planned that well if you had to ask what to wean them onto on a tropical FISH forum. If your breeder is helping you so much why didn't you get this info from him/her? Before you even bred them? And no respectable breeder would advise someone to breed from a non-pedigree dog (which I'm assuming yours is because you say you're selling the pups for nearly as much as what a pedigree would go for).

I hate to be a cow, but in this case I cant help it. You're no better than someone who sticks two crossbreeds together to make a few quid. If those pups aren't pedigrees then you shouldn't be selling them at all as they're not worth it. What health tests has mum and dad had, how old are they, how many litters have they had, what did show judges think of them, are they excellent examples of their breed, what did their parents/siblings die from, have there been any health problems in the lines etc etc etc.

You knew all the answers to those, but didn't know what to feed the pups or when? Come on....

I agree with fenwoman - it's time there were more laws passed for the safety of the animals. It seems any numpty can stick two dogs together, then ask questions later (if they can be bothered). It's people like Fenwoman who end up picking up the pieces.

I hope your dog and pups pull through ok - but I'd seriously consider spaying her. If you want experience with pups, why not foster for a rescue rather than bringing more crossbreeds or mutts into the world?

Edited to add - reading that back it sounds a bit harsh, and I apologise (I'm very pro-rescue, and pro-responsible breeding), but it just makes me sad to see people taking on something before they've learned about it - and there's so many wonderful pups and dogs needing homes as it is, I dont feel there's any need to add to them unless the dogs are a wonderful example (health. temperament and form) of their breed - no KC papers and no history of the lines should mean no breeding. And I dont think a tropical fish forum is the place to get advice, your breeder should be first port of call - and if they dont know the answer then you should be looking at a different breeding mentor.

 

[YoungFishBreeder]

It read to me a bit as if it'd been copied off a webpage personally.

Sorry but you cant have planned that well if you had to ask what to wean them onto on a tropical FISH forum. If your breeder is helping you so much why didn't you get this info from him/her? Before you even bred them? And no respectable breeder would advise someone to breed from a non-pedigree dog (which I'm assuming yours is because you say you're selling the pups for nearly as much as what a pedigree would go for).

I hate to be a cow, but in this case I cant help it. You're no better than someone who sticks two crossbreeds together to make a few quid. If those pups aren't pedigrees then you shouldn't be selling them at all as they're not worth it. What health tests has mum and dad had, how old are they, how many litters have they had, what did show judges think of them, are they excellent examples of their breed, what did their parents/siblings die from, have there been any health problems in the lines etc etc etc.

You knew all the answers to those, but didn't know what to feed the pups or when? Come on....

I agree with fenwoman - it's time there were more laws passed for the safety of the animals. It seems any numpty can stick two dogs together, then ask questions later (if they can be bothered). It's people like Fenwoman who end up picking up the pieces.

I hope your dog and pups pull through ok - but I'd seriously consider spaying her. If you want experience with pups, why not foster for a rescue rather than bringing more crossbreeds or mutts into the world?

Edited to add - reading that back it sounds a bit harsh, and I apologise (I'm very pro-rescue, and pro-responsible breeding), but it just makes me sad to see people taking on something before they've learned about it - and there's so many wonderful pups and dogs needing homes as it is, I dont feel there's any need to add to them unless the dogs are a wonderful example (health. temperament and form) of their breed - no KC papers and no history of the lines should mean no breeding. And I dont think a tropical fish forum is the place to get advice, your breeder should be first port of call - and if they dont know the answer then you should be looking at a different breeding mentor.

Then please feel free to search selective bits of the text on google, Both parents are full pedigree the male is kc reg but she hasn't registered the female. Now if you look at the question and not just the title you will see that I'm asking whether it is better to wean on the special weening food or just dried food and water as some people think. Now because so many people have different ways i was seeing what would come up the most.

"for the safety of the animals" Why are you immediately assuming that this is a case of mistreatment of animals.
What would be the point of breeding an imperfection into the breed, Even if the dogs i had were not pedigree they would still give the owner enjoyment, alot of people don't just have animals for show, adding to this If you had read again You would see that my sister and i are breeding the pups so they can give the same enjoyment that we have had from the breed. There are not many toy breed size ( teacup) Yorkies around here We have extensive history of both parents. but i think you missing out on Something before you even look at whether they are pedigree or not or even the papers or history, the dogs health should come first.
Yes your post wasn't just a bit harsh it was really harsh, You should not assume and should ask before you start Pointing the finger and making people feeling bad for nothing they have done wrong, I accept that people Have there own views but what matters is the way they express it.

When you say it sounds copied of a website its exactly what i mean we have don't it by the book If we hadn't have read up I would have just left the little girl and assumed that she was dead. If we incident care about the pups we wouldn't have checked the homes and would have sold them at about 100 Just to get rid. If someone Misjudged you I'm sure you would be one of the first to give them a mouthful, You sure do know how to get someone's back up.
All the best
Robert

2 pups and one I'm having , that's not a profit and it wouldn't be worth breeding them for cash. The ***** will not be spayed and i hope she will have many more litters to come.yes i understand about the gaps a year and a half we have decided at least.

 

[YoungFishBreeder]

I Posted on here because there is a quite a few breeders and i had just signed up for fish.
I invite you all to help me naming the little girl i have no idea what to all her. And if we weren't looking after the pups properly they wouldn't be so advanced in there progress would they ?

 

[KathyM]

I'm not going to get into the "should you be breeding" argument, because I have strong views on it and it won't help to get more heated on here, but you say you want her to have "many more litters". How old is she? Sorry if I've missed that. I lost a very special and young dog to mammary cancer because her previous owners wanted her to have lots of puppies, and without meaning any offence, I thought it best to post just in case you're not aware of the risks. If you would like more information on the risks of mammary cancer, I'd be happy to post them. Won't shove them down your throat though.