What To Do About Fish That No One Can House?
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stackem evs
Fish Fanatic
I Think we are going seriously off the topic here
And Helen do you not give your fish live treats, mine love bloodworms (they do count don't they?).
I live with a veggie, but I like my meat too much, blame it on my genes, wait till I see my parents...
So to not be cruel should we stop buying fish and give it to charity instead?If u really care about cruelty... spent ur money on helping the needy (human) rather than animal.
And Helen do you not give your fish live treats, mine love bloodworms (they do count don't they?).
I live with a veggie, but I like my meat too much, blame it on my genes, wait till I see my parents...
OohFeeshy
It's only forever; not long at all...
...... since when was a 300l tank the upper limit for 'most floors'?
It's often the largest tank you'd definately have no problems with. But larger tanks are not only that (large) but also heavy, expensive, unpractical for many and diffcult to maintain.
Miss Wiggle
Practically perfect in every way
red tailed catfish
if you thought pangasius got big... check these out!
if you thought pangasius got big... check these out!
helenx0x0
New Member
My fish get live treats, I'm not adverse to that! I just prefer not to eat the meat myself.... plus I'm sure the bloodworms had a better life than a chicken in a battery cage
How did this topic turn into this?! hee hee.
IMO farming is not necessarily cruel. However, to me battery chickens, many pig farming, etc are though.
So I wouldn't consider eating battery farmed poultry or intensively farmed animals generally - however almost all decent sized supermarkets stock free-range options. They cost more, sure, but the meat is loads higher quality.
If the animal has a good quality of life then there is no moral issue as far as I am concerned. And this is the same for fish etc.
There is to me a moral necessity of taking responsibility for your actions; if you buy something as a pet it is wrong to see it as being disposable.
So I wouldn't consider eating battery farmed poultry or intensively farmed animals generally - however almost all decent sized supermarkets stock free-range options. They cost more, sure, but the meat is loads higher quality.
If the animal has a good quality of life then there is no moral issue as far as I am concerned. And this is the same for fish etc.
There is to me a moral necessity of taking responsibility for your actions; if you buy something as a pet it is wrong to see it as being disposable.
I Think we are going seriously off the topic here
So to not be cruel should we stop buying fish and give it to charity instead?If u really care about cruelty
And Helen do you not give your fish live treats, mine love bloodworms (they do count don't they?).
I live with a veggie, but I like my meat too much, blame it on my genes, wait till I see my parents...
Blood worms are a single cell organism with no brains, they dont feel anything and have a very simple life based around reproduction only. Kind of like algae.
stackem evs
Fish Fanatic
We should be setting this up as a new Post, think would be very active.
So blood worms are a single cell organism with no brains, they dont feel anything and have a very simple life based around reproduction only. Kind of like algae. You don't know my son do you??
As Helen says there is a lot of free ranged rspca inspected food out there, so it is only being tight that keeps for battery chickens etc. Normally under the supermarkets own brand value for offer label.
Also as Helen says having pets and/or eating meat is a moral thing. Just as long as you give them the best you can offer.
Right now, back to this post, what was it about?
So blood worms are a single cell organism with no brains, they dont feel anything and have a very simple life based around reproduction only. Kind of like algae. You don't know my son do you
??As Helen says there is a lot of free ranged rspca inspected food out there, so it is only being tight that keeps for battery chickens etc. Normally under the supermarkets own brand value for offer label.
Also as Helen says having pets and/or eating meat is a moral thing. Just as long as you give them the best you can offer.
Right now, back to this post, what was it about?
vancouver
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''so if we can’t in conscience ignore the fact that no tank will reasonably housed someone’s new iridescent shark, and we can’t expect that the fish would find any better home if it was returned to the store, what then?''
Buying them creates a demand for them.
It's as simple as that. People don't buy them, stores wont carry them.
Buying them creates a demand for them.
It's as simple as that. People don't buy them, stores wont carry them.
stackem evs
Fish Fanatic
That is a very valid point. But often people don't know the true size in advance. It requires homework first rather than buying what looks nice in the tank.
severum boy
Fish Herder
The root of the big fish problem lies with the fish shop. As previously stated, if people dont buy them, shops wont sell them. But how to stop people buying them?
There are people who have an effective demand for these fish, and therefor these people are perfectly within their rights and animal welfare ideals to buy big fish. However, for someone who has spent (a rough figure) a few thousand on a 10'x6'x6' tank for RTC and pangasius, £3 for a pangasius is litle problem. So I say, baring in mind that most people who buy them usualy buy cheap fish, that introdusing some kind of system where the fish are priced at ,say, £40 for a pangasius. For someone with the monster tank, if they want a pangasius, they can damn well afford it, but to the 'normal' fishkeeper, this would be a huge put off. If this system was obeyed by all fish shops, there would be a huge drop in the amount of fish looking for a home.
As stated above, if people dont buy them, shops wont sell them and pangasius will dissapere, exept for the speciallist retailers who can get them in for people.
The only trouble is: how to do it?
There are people who have an effective demand for these fish, and therefor these people are perfectly within their rights and animal welfare ideals to buy big fish. However, for someone who has spent (a rough figure) a few thousand on a 10'x6'x6' tank for RTC and pangasius, £3 for a pangasius is litle problem. So I say, baring in mind that most people who buy them usualy buy cheap fish, that introdusing some kind of system where the fish are priced at ,say, £40 for a pangasius. For someone with the monster tank, if they want a pangasius, they can damn well afford it, but to the 'normal' fishkeeper, this would be a huge put off. If this system was obeyed by all fish shops, there would be a huge drop in the amount of fish looking for a home.
As stated above, if people dont buy them, shops wont sell them and pangasius will dissapere, exept for the speciallist retailers who can get them in for people.
The only trouble is: how to do it?
johnnypets
New Member
Here's a thought for everyone:
A time tested, effective method, used over and over in history to effect a major change is...drum roll please...PUBLIC OUTCRY!
If there are people who are really serious about this issue, organize yourselves and really try to do something. Form an organization for the protection of fishes that reach a mature size of over 8", gather your research, and begin a public education campaign. Get more people stirred up about it and make your facts, statistics, etc. pulically known. Stage protests, write political officials, organize boycotts, etc. Public outcry, people. Public outcry.
A time tested, effective method, used over and over in history to effect a major change is...drum roll please...PUBLIC OUTCRY!
If there are people who are really serious about this issue, organize yourselves and really try to do something. Form an organization for the protection of fishes that reach a mature size of over 8", gather your research, and begin a public education campaign. Get more people stirred up about it and make your facts, statistics, etc. pulically known. Stage protests, write political officials, organize boycotts, etc. Public outcry, people. Public outcry.
stackem evs
Fish Fanatic
I could end up with a lot of guppies and platties in my tank! But at 6" I might just be able to afford the Zebra catfish my bank manager wont buy me at the moment....
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