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MYTH 4: CO2 is the most common greenhouse gas.

FACT: Greenhouse gases form about 3% of the atmosphere by volume. They consist of varying amounts, (about 97%) of water vapour and clouds, with the remainder being gases like CO2, CH4, Ozone and N2O, of which carbon dioxide is the largest amount. Hence, CO2 constitutes about 0.04% of the atmosphere. While the minor gases are more effective as "greenhouse agents" than water vapour and clouds, the latter are overwhelming the effect by their sheer volume and – in the end – are thought to be responsible for 75% of the "Greenhouse effect". (See here) At current concentrations, a 3% change of water vapour in the atmosphere would have the same effect as a 100% change in CO2.

Those attributing climate change to CO2 rarely mention these important facts.
Just to let you know, the reason green house gases are warming the planet is because they're preventing heat from escaping (according to NASA). That being said, I had a quick look at the link you mentioned, and I believe that these factors would naturally keep the planet warm (without need of the unnaturally elevated CO2 and others). These are helpful in moderation. So yes, water vapour may be the most common greenhouse gas, but CO2 is still the main concern.

I also realise that I may be coming across as rude, condescending and such, but please don't interpret it that way. I am simply providing counter arguments.
 
This thread has gotten way to confusing for the AVRG reader I think; but its extremely intriguing IMO as this is a good read, nice links as well have been provided by myself and other members.
So just to make it simple this is the current "debate"
  • Is global Warming Real
  • Is it Caused or (cant think of the proper word) Extended by Humans/People
  • Have Corals Existed Up To 700M years ago
green house gases are warming the planet is because they're preventing heat from escaping
How are they preventing heat from escaping?
 
yea its alright :D
but before you do can you answer my question.
 
Hey since you liked the 10 facts post here is another one you will enjoy just as much, but I made it easier its 8. (said nine previously my typo mistake)
ith Hurricane Matthew wreaking havoc, the Left is predictably seizing the storm as a means of promoting their radical global warming agenda. Climate change has not been a major theme this election cycle, but Hillary Clinton is now trying to turn it into one, with the help of global warming guru Al Gore. Unfortunately for the climate change alarmists, despite all the celebrity endorsements and high-minded rhetoric, the facts keep getting in the way. Here are nine things you need to know about the climate change hoax.

1. The Climategate scandal proved that key data involving man-made climate change was manipulated. In 2009, the public discovered emails from the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit exposing how scientists who have been enormously influential in promoting the concept of man-made climate change actually attempted to cook the books to obtain results that served their narrative that the planet was heating at a dangerous trend due to higher levels of carbon dioxide.

One of these scientists included Dr. James Hansen, a former NASA climatologist who is known by some as the "father" or "grandfather" of the climate change myth, as it was his "Model Zero" that first introduced the concept of global warming. Hansen, Philip Jones, Michael Mann, et al. were all involved in trying "to lower past temperatures and to 'adjust' recent temperatures upwards, in order to convey the impression of an accelerated warming," according to the leaked emails. The emails also revealed how this cabal of scientists would discuss various ways to stonewall the public from seeing the "background data on which their findings and temperature records were based," even going as far as deleting significant amounts of data. They would engage in efforts to smear "any scientific journal which dares to publish their critics' work."

2. The Climategate scandal was given new life in 2011, with the release of new emails. The new round of leaked emails at the time provided more teeth to the revelations of 2009. Here are a couple of egregious emails from Jones found, via Forbes:

“I’ve been told that IPCC is above national FOI [Freedom of Information] Acts. One way to cover yourself and all those working in AR5 would be to delete all emails at the end of the process,” writes Phil Jones, a scientist working with the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), in a newly released email.

“Any work we have done in the past is done on the back of the research grants we get – and has to be well hidden,” Jones writes in another newly released email. “I’ve discussed this with the main funder (U.S. Dept of Energy) in the past and they are happy about not releasing the original station data.”

An email written by Mann showed that he tried to get "an investigative journalist to investigate and expose" a climate skeptic scientist named Steven McIntyre.

3. NASA may have also been involved in manipulating data to serve the narrative of man-made climate change. The Washington Times reported in 2009: "Under pressure in 2007, NASA recalculated its data and found that 1934, not 1998, was the hottest year in its records for the contiguous 48 states. NASA later changed that data again, and now 1998 and 2006 are tied for first, with 1934 slightly cooler."

Since this occurred at around the same time as the Climategate scandal, Chris Horner of the Competitive Enterprise Institute filed a lawsuit to get NASA to release their relevant data sets on this issue and was able to expose emails from NASA that revealed a disturbing fact: the agency admitted "that its own climate findings were inferior to those maintained by both the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit," reported Fox News in 2010 – meaning NASA climate change data sets were less accurate than the organization embattled with manipulating data sets.

A 2015 Washington Times editorial also highlighted another example of NASA cooking the books:

Paul Homewood, a skeptical researcher, found that in Paraguay, temperature readings for the 20th century at all nine weather stations supervised by NASA had been “adjusted” to transform a cooling trend into a warming trend. His analysis of readings in the Arctic found that rapid warming between 1920 and 1950 — before human activity could have increased the production of greenhouse gases — were adjusted downward so that the 1980s and ‘90s temperatures would stand out as warmer.

4. NASA also declared 2014 to be the hottest year on record – despite the fact that they were only 38 percent sure about it. The latter fact was left out of their press release at the time, as well as the fact that 2014 was supposedly hotter than the previous hottest year, 2010, by 0.02C – well within the margin of error of 0.1C that scientists tend to adhere by. The Washington Post attempted to spin in favor of NASA by arguing that NASA simply said that 2014 was the most likely hottest year on record – but their press release unequivocally stated that "2014 was the warmest year on record" and leaving out the aforementioned key facts makes such a declaration seem misleading, as it's clearly not a guarantee that 2014 was even likely the hottest year on record.

5. There is no evidence that the Earth has been warming in recent years. As The Daily Caller highlights, a recent peer-reviewed study concluded that when accounting for El Ninos and La Ninas – which are the "the fluctuations in temperature between the ocean and atmosphere in the east-central Equatorial Pacific" that "occur on average every two to seven years," according to NOAA – there has been a flat-line temperature trend since 1997. In fact, the study found that the El Ninos and La Ninas disproved the existence of the Tropical Hot Spot, which the Environmental Protection Agency claimed as evidence of carbon dioxide supposedly warming the atmosphere.

6. The left likes to claim that 97 percent of scientists support the concept of man-made climate change. It's likely closer to 43 percent. The 97 percent myth stems from a variety of flawed studies, as the Daily Wire explained here. On the other hand, the PBL Netherlands Environmental Assessment Agency conducted a survey in 2015 that found that only 43 percent of scientists believe in man-made climate change, which is far from a consensus.

7. The amount of Arctic sea ice has become quite high. Data from the Danish Meteorological Institute shows that the "average [ice] extent over the month [of September] is one of the highest in the last decade," according to Paul Homewood. This runs directly counter to the predictions of the climate change models.

8. Money from the federal government and leftist organizations fuel a lot of misinformation from man-made global warming alarmists. Climate change alarmism is an extremely lucrative industry. All in all, there have been over $32.5 billion of federal government grants that have funded climate change research from 1989-2009, far more than any research funded by the oil industry. Marco Morano points out at Climate Depot, "The data show for the last 10 years we have had an unusual drought of landfalling major hurricanes (Category 3 and higher) on the continental U.S."

"That’s right, no major hurricanes have made landfall for over a decade," Morano continued. "This is the longest such drought on record."
 
Ohhh. Sorry. Been interpreting it incorrectly the whole time. :D Basically the problem is that greenhouse gases such as CO2, methane and such are massively amplifying the minor, gradual temperature changes of our planet. This is resulting in the global warming we are now experiencing. To help fix this, we must lower our emissions.
 
Ohhh. Sorry. Been interpreting it incorrectly the whole time. :D Basically the problem is that greenhouse gases such as CO2, methane and such are massively amplifying the minor, gradual temperature changes of our planet. This is resulting in the global warming we are now experiencing. To help fix this, we must lower our emissions.
Its ok I see how it could have been mistaken as something else.
if you where to fix this, would it be a steady level of Co2 in the atmosphere forever? eventually (it has already happened, as even you yourself stated) "global warming" will naturally happen, but will again be blamed on humans for emitting something that isn't having an effect, and if it is, very little.
 
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Really enjoying my famous finishing words of this debate (last post).
 
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Don't worry, it's not over yet. :D Yeah, basically the Earth will change over time. Like now, we experience a world cooler than the dinosaurs would have. The fact is though that these changes are naturally small over long periods. What is happening now is that this has been made much bigger by the addition of excess greenhouse gases, which act as a kind of insulator, making it harder for the heat to escape. This, in turn, raises the temperatures the way we've been seeing. So, we have caused the current situation, which was initially just a small change that has been seen many a time over history.
if you where to fix this, would it be a steady level of Co2 in the atmosphere forever? eventually (it has already happened, as even you yourself stated) "global warming" will naturally happen, but will again be blamed on humans for emitting something that isn't having an effect, and if it is, very little.
Ideally, this would happen, but Earth isn't perfect. The amounts of things in the atmosphere, such as CO2, would change slightly naturally, which is why the normal temperature changes are stable. Due to the amount we have emitted (and are emitting), this balance has been disturbed, and we experience climate change, also known as global warming. The more that is added to the problem, the higher temperature will rise. Just imagine it like this: if you have a person, and put a blanket on them, they will be warm. If you add more blankets, they will start to get hotter, because the blankets keep the heat.
 
greenhouse gases, which act as a kind of insulator, making it harder for the heat to escape
Never answered my question; AGAIN, how is it hard for them to escape?

If you add more blankets, they will start to get hotter, because the blankets keep the heat

Then he would die due to lack of oxygen because the blankets are to thick. depending how many you threw on him.
 

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