It is so difficult to say with an unknown ailment. Treating for parasites and constipation at the same time would effectively kill two birds with one stone, if it is parasites the medication will work and the peas will clear out dead parasites. If it is parasites and you treat for constipation any bacteria in the gut caused by the parasites will be flushed out and the fish could appear to get better for a while. Personally in this case I would treat for parasites as a precaution and if that works and he improves then we are good to go at finding them a bigger home. If that doesnt work and constant water changes show no improvement we will have to think again.
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Is it possible to soak de-shelled peas in Vitazin? I'm a little weary of using garlic - messing around with the tank enough as it is when I get the Chanaverm. Something specifically designed for use in a fish tank sits better with me.
Yes you can use vitazin, soak the peas in it and tip it all into the tank, the fish will get the benefits of the vitazin then even if they do not eat them first go, you can use vitazin a couple of times a week without any problems.
Hitting a slight snag on sourcing the Chanaverm. It appears I might only be able to get Levacide (not entirely certain yet), except it contains preservatives - I'm rather concerned about that. It contains Levamisole Hydrochloride, but if it contains preservatives in addition that complicates matters; I'm not about to cure a potential parasite infestation to just kill the fish with some other chemical contained in the product. Hopefully it can get sorted out. It's turning out awkward to source Chanaverm 7.5% online, the one site that doesn't charge an arm and a leg for it only has the Plus solution, which contains cobalt. They might have the 1.5% solution, but since it was discontinued, either they didn't update their page, it's all past the expiration date, or it's my lucky day.
After the 10L water change today, the ill Clown Loach appeared to perk up, and he did get involved in feeding (I've scaled back how much they are fed in terms of flake food and pellets, and I was debating whether or not to fast them - seeing his behaviour during a feeding helped gauge how the water changes were affecting him). He certainly wasn't as disinterested as before, but I'm not sure how significant this is. The next change is planned for Thursday.
water changes can be invigorating for fish. If you imagine you are stuck in a stuffy room then you open a window for 10 minutes you get that fresh blast, but closing the window again it would start to feel stuffy again. Put this in context of a tank and you can see why fish behave differently during and after a water change. This is why I have recommended more water changes, with him feeding after this water change is a good sign.
It seems all the vet can get for me is an injectible Levacide (no Chanaverm). It contains:
Levamisole Hydrochloride 7.5 % w/v
Methyl Para Hydroxybenzoate as antimicrobial preservative 0.15% w/v
Sodium Metabisulphite 0.15% w/v
and Disodium Edetate Dihydrate 0.05% w/v as antioxidants
0.1% w/v Quinoline Yellow (E104)
Chanaverm isn't nearly as messed-up, and it's these additional ingredients that concern me. Anyone know of the dangers of any of the above?
Levamisole Hydrochloride 7.5 % w/v
Methyl Para Hydroxybenzoate as antimicrobial preservative 0.15% w/v
Sodium Metabisulphite 0.15% w/v
and Disodium Edetate Dihydrate 0.05% w/v as antioxidants
0.1% w/v Quinoline Yellow (E104)
Chanaverm isn't nearly as messed-up, and it's these additional ingredients that concern me. Anyone know of the dangers of any of the above?
Okay, due to the difficulties sourcing Chanaverm, and my reservations on the levacide injectible, I've got a choice to treat for worms or a bacterial infection. Esha 2000 is filter friendly, and I'm just not entirely certain that it is worms. When the first wasting-disease hit last year, one fish wasn't wasting, it was bloated and reddened. I haven't seen any worms hanging from the rear ends of the fish either (not that it is guaranteed).
I've dosed with the levacide, but there are now definite signs of fin rot on the Clown Loach. It won't be the primary infection as it's been far too long, but I have eSHa 2000 and need to know what to do. I can't mix the two medicines, can I? Yet I can't keep stressing the fish out putting medicine in and then removing it via large water changes, then putting in another medicine. Terrible timing, absolutely terrible...
I have never used levacide so I dont know how long it takes to work and how long you have to leave it before a water change. The main problem you are battling is the tank being too small putting the fish under stress, which is going to keep making the fish ill sadly. Rather than medicate again after the levacide keep using clean water with frequent water changes. It is a horried battle, I have been there with a sick fish in a hospital tank before and the stress can be too much sometimes.
This is a good article on clown loaches scroll down to skinny disease.
http
/www.bollmoraakvarieklubb.org/artiklar/praktbotia/clown%20loach.htm
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/www.bollmoraakvarieklubb.org/artiklar/praktbotia/clown%20loach.htmThanks for the article. That sounds extremely similar to what has been going on, both this year and last. Just wasting as the primary symptom. The fin rot is clearly a secondary infection, about a week ago I was closely inspecting and noticed something, but I couldn't say for certainty as it was far too difficult to actually tell; today it wasn't, it had the telltale signs of milky-edges to the caudal fin and fraying of the edges of the dorsal fin - the other fins I was inspecting and thought may have been rotting weren't anything like that at all. Not sure what the lone white spot is, it hasn't progressed like I would expect whitespot to do so (maybe a scratch). Of course, if it's at that stage, with secondary infections, I'm not sure if there's any hope of saving him...but I can definitely save the other one and the Minnows. Even if I don't actually treat for Skinny Disease, it provides a far better diagnosis than fish TB (probably the only other possibility), and would mean the remaining Clown Loach can be rehomed with Star4 when possible. It's just frustrating to have something that shows symptoms of multiple diseases, and no specific symptom to nail it down effectively.
Internal parasites can cause secondary bacterial infections.
Never kept clown loaches myself but once the parasites have gone the fish
should start to improve.
If no improvement with the medication you are using now I would try the JBL Medication.
And follow the medication advice in the article.
Good Luck.
Never kept clown loaches myself but once the parasites have gone the fish
should start to improve.
If no improvement with the medication you are using now I would try the JBL Medication.
And follow the medication advice in the article.
Good Luck.
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