Trusted Sellers?

[MermaidMel]

On another buy and sell forum I use there is a trusted sellers thread [sticky] so that when people successfully complete a transaction they can give the other members a heads up [bit like Ebay in a way] and obviously untrustworthy sellers [items not showing up, being very late, turning up broken/dead etc] can also be mentioned on the thread and members will begin to establish kudos within the forum. Just a thought!

 

[kribensis12]

I like it!

 

[rdd1952]

On another buy and sell forum I use there is a trusted sellers thread [sticky] so that when people successfully complete a transaction they can give the other members a heads up [bit like Ebay in a way] and obviously untrustworthy sellers [items not showing up, being very late, turning up broken/dead etc] can also be mentioned on the thread and members will begin to establish kudos within the forum. Just a thought!

It has been discussed before and the bold part is the problem. It opens William to possible libel issues (he has been through that before and there are several threads about this same thing in Announcements). A straight thread where you could post good sellers could possibly work but any mention of problem sellers would have to be off limits. Of course, the fact that almost no one reads pinned topics would mean the majority of memmbers would never see it.

 

[MermaidMel]

On another buy and sell forum I use there is a trusted sellers thread [sticky] so that when people successfully complete a transaction they can give the other members a heads up [bit like Ebay in a way] and obviously untrustworthy sellers [items not showing up, being very late, turning up broken/dead etc] can also be mentioned on the thread and members will begin to establish kudos within the forum. Just a thought!

It has been discussed before and the bold part is the problem. It opens William to possible libel issues (he has been through that before and there are several threads about this same thing in Announcements). A straight thread where you could post good sellers could possibly work but any mention of problem sellers would have to be off limits. Of course, the fact that almost no one reads pinned topics would mean the majority of memmbers would never see it.

Ok but even a good sellers thread is helpful, I think a lot of people read sticky's, more than you think

 

[JenCliBee]

just curious 2 y it is always down 2 lible issues with this site but many and i mean many others do it with no problems ? and have a like point scoring system for individual members

 

[Darkstar]

and i mean many others do it with no problems ? and have a like point scoring system for individual members

which sites?

 

[pieman]

Could you not say, 5 or 10 good transactions and you are on the trusted list, but if there is a complaint which warrants it then you are removed no questions asked and back at square one?

In response to 'Darkstar' - I believe eBay is one of many.

 

[Darkstar]

but if there is a complaint which warrants it then you are removed no questions asked and back at square one?

now define how you would consider something as warranted between two people on the web that you've never met....and who could well be lying to you?

 

[Darkstar]

In response to 'Darkstar' - I believe eBay is one of many.

Somehow I don't think fishforums.net have the same kind of budget to produce a system like ebays, so ebay is kind of irrelevant...although it is worthwhile noting that even with their cash flow they still can't produce a system that everyone is happy with.

 

[MermaidMel]

I agree people do lie. But in the past when sellers on here have been unreliable and the thread kicks up, it's removed or locked for abusing the member who is unreliable. It becomes personal. With a 'trusted' 'untrusted' system, there is no need for all that in a thread, you can just say so in a simple word... on the site I use, there is no liable and its a big budget site (the biggest parenting site in the UK) and they relish this system amongst the members because it gradually weeds out the timewasters. In conjunction with Paypal (which protects its buyers) it proves to be a very good system for newbies, who don't know who they can trust. That's my twopence worth but I do understand William's predicament also.

 

[pieman]

but if there is a complaint which warrants it then you are removed no questions asked and back at square one?

now define how you would consider something as warranted between two people on the web that you've never met....and who could well be lying to you?

As in something both sides agree on.

Seller A - I didn't manage to get the shipment out in the post today sorry.
Buyer A - I ordered that product in the knowladge that you would send it out today.

Seller B - Magically disappears off forum
Buyer B - Dude I've just give you $247 where's my tank?

Aside from that, you've gone on about something else.

I was saying, if a seller is late with one shipment then that wouldn't warrant him being removed as a trusted seller.
If a seller is shipping things that look nothing like the description and is regularly late with shipments then he would no longer be a trusted seller.
To prove such things we have modern technology such as recorded delivery and common sense.

In response to 'Darkstar' - I believe eBay is one of many.

Somehow I don't think fishforums.net have the same kind of budget to produce a system like ebays, so ebay is kind of irrelevant...although it is worthwhile noting that even with their cash flow they still can't produce a system that everyone is happy with.

Seller, ships on time, correct product, one brownie point. Not hard, appoint a few people to oversee the forum to check everything is spick an spam.

Anything else?

 

[MermaidMel]

but if there is a complaint which warrants it then you are removed no questions asked and back at square one?

now define how you would consider something as warranted between two people on the web that you've never met....and who could well be lying to you?

As in something both sides agree on.

Seller A - I didn't manage to get the shipment out in the post today sorry.
Buyer A - I ordered that product in the knowladge that you would send it out today.

Seller B - Magically disappears off forum
Buyer B - Dude I've just give you $247 where's my tank?

Aside from that, you've gone on about something else.

I was saying, if a seller is late with one shipment then that wouldn't warrant him being removed as a trusted seller.
If a seller is shipping things that look nothing like the description and is regularly late with shipments then he would no longer be a trusted seller.
To prove such things we have modern technology such as recorded delivery and common sense.

In response to 'Darkstar' - I believe eBay is one of many.

Somehow I don't think fishforums.net have the same kind of budget to produce a system like ebays, so ebay is kind of irrelevant...although it is worthwhile noting that even with their cash flow they still can't produce a system that everyone is happy with.

Seller, ships on time, correct product, one brownie point. Not hard, appoint a few people to oversee the forum to check everything is spick an spam.

Anything else?

In fact, you wouldn't necessarily have to include untrusted, but build up a trusted network. There are people regularly selling, for example, shrimp or fry on here. If they have 10 people all saying what awesome stock, well packed and delivered in good time, they will continue to build good business. Like Modaz, he is very well respected and praised on here. But instead of having a zillion threads all hailing Modaz [k maybe not that many but I am kinda bored of seeing so many] they would just be on the one, trusted, thread. If people choose not to look, that's their problem, if they choose to take the time and look, they will see they can absolutely trust e.g. Modaz and order from him.

 

[rdd1952]

William has already been down the road of someone accusing him of libel or something along those lines. It was before my time here so I don't know the details and don't really care to. Ebay is a different entity. Their sellers choose to be there and know that there is feedback. Online sellers such as liveaquaria.com and bigalsonline.com arent' selling directly on this site so when someone trashes them, especially in a section specifically designed for that, then William becomes more at risk. A single lawsuit can be extreme expensive.

Besides the libel issue, there are other potential problems too. One that I can think of right off the top is that we have at least one seller in BSS already that has created a second ( and possibly more) ID and appears to have ordered from the seller. The IP address is identical for both IDs. In actuality, they are simply "ordering" from themselves in order to say the service was good. It would be simple enough for people to create IDs to give themselves a good review also.

 

[Darkstar]

well you implement it and see how well it goes. I've done it on another forum and frankly it doesn't work anywhere near as well as you think it would.

To prove such things we have modern technology such as recorded delivery and common sense.

modern technology also produces things like photoshop for altering records...common sense isn't so useful then. Considering this forum won't even entertain the idea of a monthly photo competition because people kept using photos from the web that weren't their own...people will undoubtedly be willing to alter records and lie etc in order get what they want.

 

[MermaidMel]

William has already been down the road of someone accusing him of libel or something along those lines. It was before my time here so I don't know the details and don't really care to. Ebay is a different entity. Their sellers choose to be there and know that there is feedback. Online sellers such as liveaquaria.com and bigalsonline.com arent' selling directly on this site so when someone trashes them, especially in a section specifically designed for that, then William becomes more at risk. A single lawsuit can be extreme expensive.

Besides the libel issue, there are other potential problems too. One that I can think of right off the top is that we have at least one seller in BSS already that has created a second ( and possibly more) ID and appears to have ordered from the seller. The IP address is identical for both IDs. In actuality, they are simply "ordering" from themselves in order to say the service was good. It would be simple enough for people to create IDs to give themselves a good review also.

Yeah there is that to consider

well you implement it and see how well it goes. I've done it on another forum and frankly it doesn't work anywhere near as well as you think it would.

To prove such things we have modern technology such as recorded delivery and common sense.

modern technology also produces things like photoshop for altering records...common sense isn't so useful then. Considering this forum won't even entertain the idea of a monthly photo competition because people kept using photos from the web that weren't their own...people will undoubtedly be willing to alter records and lie etc in order get what they want.

Ok, I guess where I go the site is in the minority because it works really well
It's not the be all and end all, so we'll leave it