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Tried too many things, now I'm not sure what to do

I would recommend the API Freshwater Master Test kit, proven to be pretty reliable and lasts for quite a long time.

A little more expensive than the strip dip kits but worth it imho and a lot of keepers on this forum use this test kit.

Link below is from UK amazon website, US website will have correct prices for you, just to let you see exactly what product I am speaking of.


https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000255NCI/?tag=

There are loads of FW testing kits, the most accurate ones are the lab based ones which can cost heaps, make your eyes water kind of prices :blink: So if you’ve the cash then you can splash out on these :lol:
 
I can order some more test strips (that have the other stuff besides ammonia on them, because I do have ammonia only strips) I will test that in just a bit and post results. But when I did the last big water change ammonia was at 0 before the change.

For the other test strips should I get the regular 5-1 strips?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000HHOAIY/?tag=ff0d01-20

or do I need the 9-1 strip
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07TF1WKXZ/?tag=ff0d01-20

Or are there other ones on amazon I should look at? I say amazon because leaving our house at the moment isn't really an option, and so their shipping is faster than most other places (and free for us)
The most accurate results come from liquid test kits. The API freshwater master kit is kind of the gold standard in the hobby, but there are other liquid test kits that are also more accurate than dip strips. The liquid kits seem expensive, but not only are they more accurate, but you get far more tests out of them than buying say 50 dip strips; and if those dip strips give inaccurate results at a time when you really need to know the right results- like when there's illness, a cycle crash, or you're medicating a tank - then they're a false economy too. Liquid kits let you mix the chemicals yourself on the spot, hence the increased accuracy.

For things like GH, pH and KH, if you're using tapwater for your tank and water changes, you may be able to find the info we need on your water companies website. Look for a water quality report, and give us the details, and someone will able to work out your KH, GH and pH.


But, the water change is far more urgent than any of this. If that medication is what's irritating your cories, and even more so if your water parameters are now off and there's an ammonia spike, then giving them clean fresh water is the best possible treatment right now. The rest of this can wait until after.
 
I would recommend the API Freshwater Master Test kit, proven to be pretty reliable and lasts for quite a long time.

A little more expensive than the strip dip kits but worth it imho and a lot of keepers on this forum use this test kit.

Link below is from UK amazon website, US website will have correct prices for you, just to let you see exactly what product I am speaking of.


https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000255NCI/?tag=

There are loads of FW testing kits, the most accurate ones are the lab based ones which can cost heaps, make your eyes water kind of prices :blink: So if you’ve the cash then you can splash out on these :lol:
I'm so sorry, I'm not following you around and copying you, I promise! Second time tonight that's happened :lol: I'm just not a fast typer and as you may have gathered, I'm not terribly concise either. Then I realise I've taken so long to write it and you've said the same thing already... but I've already typed it all out and can't bring myself to just delete it ;)
 
So just a general update here. First, thank you everyone who has chimed in, it has been very helpful for me already knowing what direction to head in.

I did an approximate 70-75% water change this afternoon after scrubbing down the walls, plants and filter parts (just with the water that was in the tank, not tap water). The water definitely looks much better. All the fish look OK right now, I haven't seen the corys scratching on anything else since last night, so I'm really hoping that was a 1 time thing or a reaction to the pima and mela fix stuff, and he's actually doing OK now.
I took a bunch of pictures, but a few years ago i had a really hard time getting pics to uplaod, so I'm going back through the directions of how to do that, and hopefully will get it figured out shortly. but to try to summarize in words in the meantime
*scrubbed walls and tank media stuff
*vacuumed top layer of sand
*did large water change
*ammonia was zero before I did the water change
*water looks much better for now
*all fish currently appear normal (but I'm still really worried that this is only temporary)

***my only question at the moment is is it ok to put some of the api stress-zyme stuff in?

my kiddo is home schooling online starting this week, so were running around like crazy people here. But I think I'm going to call aquarium adventure tomorrow and see if I bring in a water sample if they can come and get it curbside and just test it and let me know without me going in. I already checked with PetSmart the other day and they said they couldn't.

All the fish appear ok right now. I tried not to move around too much tank stuff when I vacuumed, but I could tell they got a little stressed (one of the corys started doing the thing where they swim up and down against the glass - not to the top to gasp air, just up and down, I've only seen my fish do it before right when I bring them home from the store. but he only did this for about 5 min after I put the water in and walked away, so I think he's OK), but I'm just letting them be for now. I'm going to work on getting some pics together, and hopefully working on taking water to aquarium adventure tomorrow for testing.
 
***my only question at the moment is is it ok to put some of the api stress-zyme stuff in?

Good job on getting all the cleaning stuff done, hopefully that will help :)

I wouldn't add any stress-zyme. It's not a necessary thing to add, and the less chemicals we add to our tanks, the better. The best treatment for any illness or stress in fish is the cleanest, freshest water we can provide, so frequent water changes if you suspect an illness, or if an illness is ongoing, is the best medicine. Please do update us though, and let us know if anything changes, or if you can get that water quality report from your water companies website.

Stress-zyme looks a little like aquarium snake oil to me. Or at least, not something you need to add when normal micro-organisms and regular maintenance will do the same thing.

My main hypothesis right now is that you might be in a softer water area, while mollies need quite hard water to have long, healthy lifespans. They can survive for quite a while in soft water sometimes, but it weakens them and makes them more vulnerable to disease or infections. Again, just a hypothesis right now, could be entirely wrong. It would probably be better to avoid mollies in the future though either way, they get quite large as adults, and a ten gallon is really too small for them, I'm sorry. If you find out what your GH, KH and pH are from that water report, people will be able to suggest fish that would would suit your tank size and water parameters. There are some lovely smaller livebearers if your water is hard, and plenty of stunning nano species of fish that would thrive in a ten gallon if your water is softer.
 
Alright, so I did another 20% water change on Sunday. The water has stayed clear, and the fish are all looking healthy. I still struggle with the pictures, I'm too old, idk what the deal is. but here are all the questions that I can answer. I am still nervous that I am on a strange delicate balance of like, things look good, but there is still a bacteria or something kind of problem

Tank size: 10G
pH: (per water report) 7.7-7.8
ammonia: 0 - tested myself. This has been at zero each time I have tested as this issue has been going on
nitrite:
nitrate:
kH and gH: (per water report) I'm not 100% sure how to interpret what the report says, but it lists under hardness 119-125ppm and 7-7.3 gpm
tank temp: 78 degrees farenheit

Here is the link to the site with the water report. In the first paragraph on the right side Consumer Confidence Report. The link is in that paragraph "current 2019 report" links to a pdf


Fish Symptoms (include full description including lesion, color, location, fish behavior): currently all fish look ok right now. Looking at the information in the link about dropsy, that looks exactly like what happened :(
The first fish, had been having drooping kinda raggid looking fins for several weeks, then I started to notice the pineconing that developed slowly worsening, he started resting on the bottom during the day when the pineconing happened. Slowly I started to notice that the back of him seemed like it was swelling and he looked like he was stiff, and unable to move his tail fin appropriately. Then everything kept getting worse until he passed, hardly able to swim at the end :(

The second molly that passed away didn't have nearly as many symptoms other the one. Her fins started to droop about two days before the other fish passed away. The last day the first fish was alive this second fish started resting on the bottom. I never noticed any pineconing or swelling for her. She went from drooping fin and resting on the bottom and the next morning she had passed (two days after the first one).

That evening I noticed that one of the corys was scratching his side down through the sand a few times, not obsessively, but maybe 3 or 4 times within about 15 min that I sat and watched.

After I did the recommended 75% water change, vacuum and clean out. (I now have one remaining molly and 3 stebari cory cats in the tank. The molly was born in our tank is about a year and half. Two of the corys were purchased and we've had them for over 3 years. The third cory we've had for about 2 and a half years) they all appeared stressed, and the poor molly was schooling down with the corys, and they were all staying very hidden. However after the water change everyone looked physically healthy and moving in all the correct ways, fins and gills looked good (I thought that maybe the corys gills looked a little bit more red than normal, but I also had been staring at and obsessing about everyone constantly, so I don't know if this was actually the case or not.

Starting the next afternoon everyone's behavior was back to normal, the molly came to greet me at the side of the tank when I walk by in the morning (they all used to do this together, I love it, they know where their food comes from I guess lol) and he was back swimming around on the top levels as opposed to hanging with the corys.

Volume and Frequency of water changes: I do about a 15-20ish% water change every sunday, occasionally I will miss a week, but not often. I try to do a slightly larger amount of water the next time.

Chemical Additives or Media in your tank: I haven't put anything in except for fresh water since the second fish died. Normally all I use is a dechlorinator, when the first fish started having serious issues I started adding the pimifix and melafix treatments.

Media in the tank is sand at the bottom, two low silicone plants, one plastic plant, and a few taller silk plants. I have a bridge ornament thing, and a thing that looks like a beechwood branch, but its not real wood - its the same material the bridge is made out of, and then I have a large flat rock that I have propped against the wood to make a cave type thing. I also have one of the "beta logs" that is an ornament that floats around the top and is basically just a tube they can swim into.
We have a small amount of green algae that builds up on the glass, and you can see it against the glass down in the sand area, but it's only up against the glass where the light comes through, and not like all over the tank, I scrape this off every month-ish, sometimes every other week, depending on the time of year the tank gets a little more or less sunlight (not direct sun, just makes that part of the room brighter). I get a little bit of a more brownish I assume to be algae that builds up on some of the plants and ornaments, I will rub that off of them maybe every 3-5 months, it doesn't get out of control, just kinda discolors them a bit.

Tank inhabitants: Currently I have one molly, and 3 stebari cory cats. I used to have two other mollys that recently died

Recent additions to your tank (living or decoration): just the beta log - I added this when the first molly started struggling because he was resting down on the bottom, and I thought he might like a resting place that was closer to the surface, and he would occasionally sit in the log. Before adding the log I made sure to rinse it thoroughly and I have a fish-tank-only toothbrush that I use to scrub things off of, and I used this as I was rinsing it. I did not use any soap of any kind.

Exposure to chemicals: The only things are the pimifix and melafix that I was adding. Nothing otherwise.

How do I know if the problem is solved or if there is still bacteria or whatever in the tank just slowly making things sick that I can't see yet?

In an earlier post we talked about what might be mixed down in the sand. I have about 1-2 inches based on where in the tank. I have to make heaps to keep some of the plants down. I didn't stir or mix it up when I vacuumed, I just did the very top layer. Should I go through and kinda mix everything up? or if there is something growing down in there will that just let it loose and I need to move the fish first?
 

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