Thinking About Saltwater.

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I'm seriously thinking about setting up a salt water tank. I love my freshwater tanks ALOT, but I've just been thinking, what it would take. I love hermit crabs ect.. money is not a factor. What good pages/articles can anyone recommend for some good reading. Thanks.

Sorry, sould have posted in Marine forums. Mods feel free to move.
 
I have to argue for the freshwater side :p I've always *liked* saltwater species (I'd love to own a raccoon butterflyfish one day) but I simply feel freshwater fish have more to offer me (and for a lesser cost as well!). For one, there's all sorts of new species appearing all the time that you can try. Most can be tank bred so you aren't adversely affecting the environment AND you can try breeding the fish yourself (which is extremely rewarding but can also be quite challenging). With saltwater species the selection is far slimmer. Also, there's plenty of inverts you could put in a freshwater tank as well - giant filter-feeding shrimp, all sorts of species of smaller shrimp, various snails etc There are some less usual examples as well - things like crayfish (though usualy these don't work with fish). Plus there are probably some crabs and clams that'll work in freshwater (or maybe brackish). The other thing is the cost - I mean, for me, this is a major issue. But even if I had the money, I'd probably not be tempted to start a saltwater tank (other than for the afformentioned butterflies possibly :p) but that's because I've found a group of fish (gouramies) that I'm quite happy to stick with indeffinately. The other issue is time - setting up a marine tank is time-consuming but maintaining it far less so. With freshwater, voer-all, maintainance possibly takes more time. However, you see, I enjoy regular tank maintainance and interacting with my fish (another thing which is perhaps less evident in marine fish). Also, I like the fact that I can mix and match fish from different parts of the world or choose to do a biotope, or I can do a single-species tank or go for one that's color coordinated lol! With marine tanks, things are somewhat more restricted. I suppose though, it does come down to your personal prefferences. If you find a fish you realy like, it doesn't matter what kind of water it lives in :p
 
Have a read of the pinned topics in the marine forums. Also have a read of as many start up and diary threads as you can take. There is a lot of info out there and its hard to start explaining, not knowing how much you already know and how fast your particular learning curve is. After you have read that I'm sure you will have more specific questions which will be much easier to answer.
 
I'm seriously thinking about setting up a salt water tank. I love my freshwater tanks ALOT, but I've just been thinking, what it would take. I love hermit crabs ect.. money is not a factor. What good pages/articles can anyone recommend for some good reading. Thanks.

Sorry, sould have posted in Marine forums. Mods feel free to move.

Congratz on taking the first step into marine :good: I was like you at first, thinking about it, only dreaming that I could own such a diverse enviroment in a contained aquarium. Then I thought to give it a go, there are ways you can save heaps (doing a FOWLR system is MUCH cheaper then a reef + it's a great way for beginners to start in marine). I have found that species selection for SW is quite varied and there are lots of good nice interactive fish specimens for beginners that you can choose with heaps of personality. If your not too fancy about fish you can always have a small invert tank. Whatever suits your desires. :)

money is not a factor

All the more to start! :fun: :D

as crazyelece said, read some of the pinned topix in the marine sections of this forum - good reads there. :thumbs: Don't hesitate to ask any questions whenever one springs to mind. :)
 
For one, there's all sorts of new species appearing all the time that you can try. Most can be tank bred so you aren't adversely affecting the environment AND you can try breeding the fish yourself (which is extremely rewarding but can also be quite challenging).

Alot of SW species can be tank pred or propagated. The only reason why people dont tend to do it more often is its more expensive than wild caught species, so you have a lower profit margain. You can buy all your stock for the marine aquarium that have been either propagated or captive bred.

With saltwater species the selection is far slimmer.

Sorry Sylvia, but I disagree extremly with this post. Youve either gotta know where to look, IE shops, or have the set-up to support a wider choice of inhabitants once you find them for trade. There are more species in the ocean, and which are readily available in the trade compared to FW. Macroalgae and corals outnumber FW plants etc etc, and I could go on but wont! :p

Also, I like the fact that I can mix and match fish from different parts of the world or choose to do a biotope, or I can do a single-species tank or go for one that's color coordinated lol!

You can do this in a SW environment also. There is no difference. People can buy whatever is availabe to them, and that means in my case it can come from the great barrier reef, the pacific islands, or local. I could set-up a biotope, infact, that is what you do when you set up a reef. Low nutrients, high lighting, high flow, specific corals, reef compatible fish, and youve got yourself a reef biotope from anywhere in the wolrd if you keep the species correct. There are even SW planted tanks which use macro algae, with compatible species of fish such as seahorse, pipefish and reedfish. You can go colour co-ordinated if you want aswell. You could do a single species tank, a predator tank, a fish only tank, a tank for tangs, a tank for a shark like crazyelece. The list of possibilities is endless.

With marine tanks, things are somewhat more restricted. I suppose though, it does come down to your personal prefferences. If you find a fish you realy like, it doesn't matter what kind of water it lives in :p

Im confused by what you mean by "restricted"? I what sense are you stating marine tanks are restricted? They arnt. Its what you do to them, what your willing to keep, and what your willing to spend on the tank in question.

IMO, you cant accurately compare saltwater or freshwater tanks until youve done both. It just cant happen until youve actually experienced the upkeep, the species of crustacean, macro algae, bacteria, sponge, worms, the LR, the fish choice, and the corals on offer.
 
For one, there's all sorts of new species appearing all the time that you can try. Most can be tank bred so you aren't adversely affecting the environment AND you can try breeding the fish yourself (which is extremely rewarding but can also be quite challenging).

Alot of SW species can be tank pred or propagated. The only reason why people dont tend to do it more often is its more expensive than wild caught species, so you have a lower profit margain. You can buy all your stock for the marine aquarium that have been either propagated or captive bred.

With saltwater species the selection is far slimmer.

Sorry Sylvia, but I disagree extremly with this post. Youve either gotta know where to look, IE shops, or have the set-up to support a wider choice of inhabitants once you find them for trade. There are more species in the ocean, and which are readily available in the trade compared to FW. Macroalgae and corals outnumber FW plants etc etc, and I could go on but wont! :p

Also, I like the fact that I can mix and match fish from different parts of the world or choose to do a biotope, or I can do a single-species tank or go for one that's color coordinated lol!

You can do this in a SW environment also. There is no difference. People can buy whatever is availabe to them, and that means in my case it can come from the great barrier reef, the pacific islands, or local. I could set-up a biotope, infact, that is what you do when you set up a reef. Low nutrients, high lighting, high flow, specific corals, reef compatible fish, and youve got yourself a reef biotope from anywhere in the wolrd if you keep the species correct. There are even SW planted tanks which use macro algae, with compatible species of fish such as seahorse, pipefish and reedfish. You can go colour co-ordinated if you want aswell. You could do a single species tank, a predator tank, a fish only tank, a tank for tangs, a tank for a shark like crazyelece. The list of possibilities is endless.

With marine tanks, things are somewhat more restricted. I suppose though, it does come down to your personal prefferences. If you find a fish you realy like, it doesn't matter what kind of water it lives in :p

Im confused by what you mean by "restricted"? I what sense are you stating marine tanks are restricted? They arnt. Its what you do to them, what your willing to keep, and what your willing to spend on the tank in question.

IMO, you cant accurately compare saltwater or freshwater tanks until youve done both. It just cant happen until youve actually experienced the upkeep, the species of crustacean, macro algae, bacteria, sponge, worms, the LR, the fish choice, and the corals on offer.


I was going to respond the Sylvia's post but Miagi (saves me typing lol)

I have had a fair few Freshwater tanks but now I have Marine I simply have no interest in anything other than Marine, when I am at my LFS I pass the Freshwater without stopping, I cant say I did the same when I had my Freshie's, I always ended up at the Marine's drooling over the colors & variety of Fish & Corals
 
I have FW and SW....I love my FW tank, but, nothing more dang beautiful than having a piece of the ocean in your house. Disagree Sylvia. SH
 
I have both reef, FOWLR and FW planted.... and have had a brackish tank. In my opinion, the saltwater side of the hobby has so many more possibilities -- new avenues to explore in livestock, set-up, equipment, methods. There's always something I can do or build for my tank that will make it better - and the amount of life it supports is astonishing.

That said, being conscientious about a reef can be far more tiring than a FW tank. My planted tank pretty much looks after itself in comparison. When I move house, I will break down all the tanks, but FW will be the first tank I set up again -- SW is more of a commitment that I won't be willing to make again until later.
 
i have a SW and a FW heavy planted tank.

IMO you get more life on 1kg of LR than you can put in a 40gal FW tank.

dont get me wrong i LOVE my FW tank, but i spend loads more time / money on my reef :D

keep it salty :D

DG
 
FW fish: 10000 species.
SW fish: 15000 species.

As well as there simply being more species of fish, the variety of saltwater far exceeds that of freshwater. Also, many of the unique freshwater species, such as Elephant nose or Knifefish, simply do not go well except by themselves. Many marine animals also have some of the most interesting and intruiging relationships of all animals, those which go far beyond the predator-prey relationships- called symbiosis. The only symbiosis I can think of in freshwater is bitterlings and oysters- not very many.

And the part about "all of the invertebrates you can put in freshwater" :no:
If I even began to explain why this is incorrect, it would put freshwater invertebrates to shame. :X
There are around 3 million species of known animals on Earth... around 97% of these are invertebrates... around half of these are found in saltwater... almost all the other half are in terrestrial jungles. :rolleyes:

Also, like Die_Grinder said, it's true, you get more life on a kilogram of LR than in 40 gallons of freshwater.

I do love my freshwater fish, but marines are better in all but one way: expense. :D

-Lynden
 

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