The Wet Spot Tropical Fish

[Byron]

Thank you! I feel really confident purchasing these guys then in the next few months. My parents are REALLY loving the fire ring danios and so am I... Could I do these in my 20H?

If you mean the T. hengeli in a 20g high, yes, that is fine. They do not swim much, they remain in their shoal (very important to have a good-sized group or they will be very skittish and str4essed) and gently cruise around mid-tank (with floating plants, also essential). A group of 9-10.

 

[Essjay]

@Rocky998
Can you tell us what you mean by fire ring danio, please. Google says they are Danio kyathit, though Serioulsy Fish call this species Brachydanio kyathit, orange finned danio

Brachydanio kyathit – Orange-Finned ‘Danio’ (Danio kyathit) — Seriously Fish

www.seriouslyfish.com

Or perhaps Brachydanio tinwnini?

Brachydanio tinwini – Gold Ring ‘Danio’ (Danio tinwini) — Seriously Fish

www.seriouslyfish.com

 

[Rocky998]

@Rocky998
Can you tell us what you mean by fire ring danio, please. Google says they are Danio kyathit, though Serioulsy Fish call this species Brachydanio kyathit, orange finned danio

Brachydanio kyathit – Orange-Finned ‘Danio’ (Danio kyathit) — Seriously Fish

www.seriouslyfish.com

Or perhaps Brachydanio tinwnini?

Brachydanio tinwini – Gold Ring ‘Danio’ (Danio tinwini) — Seriously Fish

www.seriouslyfish.com

No, they look like this:

 

[Essjay]

SF does comment that they can be variable, and googling images of fire ring danio gives photos like yours, pale blue striped fish with orange fins, grey fish with the same pattern as your photo and other variations. If you intend buying these on-line I'd be wary - what you get may not be the same variety as the photo but they'd still be the same species.

 

[Rocky998]

If your pH is constantly over 8, I would not be adding these fish to your tank. If you read what @Byron says his tap water is 8.6 but his tank water is 6.8. Your tank water is 8.2 that is the difference.

My peacock gudgeons are more colorful than I ever thought they'd be and their super healthy. One died, but that was from stress and it being weaker than the rest with certain things... Plus, it came from my LPS and their tanks can be interesting is all I'll say.

I have also talked to other fish keepers on here with the same PH and hardness and they keep fishperfectly fine.

I appreciate your concern with my PH but not all things can be "natural". So I will have to ask you nicely to peacefully accept my reasoning on this. You are one of the best aquarists on here, due to your water quality and knowledge. But everyone doesnt have your water and sometimes can't. And sometimes you say: "Keep what is natural to your water", but my water is soft with a high PH... Basically that quote to me means: "You cant keep fish". Just a thought.

 

[Byron]

@Rocky998 , please do not buy fish online (or in stores either) that you do not know, without knowing the scientific name. As @Essjay said, you have no idea what may arrive. I missed this "fire ring danio" earlier, I think I thought it was only the rasboras that were being considered.

My best local fish store, and the one that posts the scientific name after the common, makes up common names to better describe the fish--the owner once told me this sells them better. Now, how can anyone know what they are getting when this is occurring, and I suspect it is more common than not.

 

[Fishmanic]

 

[Rocky998]

@Rocky998 , please do not buy fish online (or in stores either) that you do not know, without knowing the scientific name. As @Essjay said, you have no idea what may arrive. I missed this "fire ring danio" earlier, I think I thought it was only the rasboras that were being considered.

My best local fish store, and the one that posts the scientific name after the common, makes up common names to better describe the fish--the owner once told me this sells them better. Now, how can anyone know what they are getting when this is occurring, and I suspect it is more common than not.

This is true. Wet spot shows a picture of their "fire ring danio" and it looks like the one I've shown

 

[Colin_T]

This is true. Wet spot shows a picture of their "fire ring danio" and it looks like the one I've shown

I have a fire ring after I eat curry

 

[Slaphppy7]

I have a fire ring after I eat curry

Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhh...........

 

[Byron]

This is true. Wet spot shows a picture of their "fire ring danio" and it looks like the one I've shown

Where? I found the species Danio kyathit as "fire ring danio" on Wet Spot's site, and this is the fish @Essjay referenced on SF (Brachydanio kyathit). The photo in your post #18 could be the same fish, but this photo seems to have been "touched up" so it may or may not be the same species. [The species was described in 1998 by Fang, but Kottelat (2013) considered it in the genus Brachydanio which is SF's placement; Subsequently, Fang moved it back into Danio and Kullander and others accept this placement. Changing genera on SF is difficult so it will have to stay as is for now.]

If this is the fish under consideration, it will not work in a 20g high tank, as like its relatives it needs space to swim. The habitat description and the recommended tank size in SF explain this.

Brachydanio tinwini is another species in the same genus, doesn't seem to be what you are considering, but also active swimmer. BTW, photos of fish that are searched on Google cannot be taken as reliable unless you go to the site of the photo and determine the reliability. The photos on sites like SF, Planet Catfish, Loaches Online, CorydorasWorld, etc are reliable. I would assume those on Wet Spot are also likely to be accurate, but this can easily be checked by looking up the scientific name on SF or similar.

 

[Rocky998]

Where? I found the species Danio kyathit as "fire ring danio" on Wet Spot's site, and this is the fish @Essjay referenced on SF (Brachydanio kyathit). The photo in your post #18 could be the same fish, but this photo seems to have been "touched up" so it may or may not be the same species. [The species was described in 1998 by Fang, but Kottelat (2013) considered it in the genus Brachydanio which is SF's placement; Subsequently, Fang moved it back into Danio and Kullander and others accept this placement. Changing genera on SF is difficult so it will have to stay as is for now.]

If this is the fish under consideration, it will not work in a 20g high tank, as like its relatives it needs space to swim. The habitat description and the recommended tank size in SF explain this.

Brachydanio tinwini is another species in the same genus, doesn't seem to be what you are considering, but also active swimmer. BTW, photos of fish that are searched on Google cannot be taken as reliable unless you go to the site of the photo and determine the reliability. The photos on sites like SF, Planet Catfish, Loaches Online, CorydorasWorld, etc are reliable. I would assume those on Wet Spot are also likely to be accurate, but this can easily be checked by looking up the scientific name on SF or similar.

Ok, I will just stick with rasbora espei then. Unless I am able to find a "better" schooling fish

 

[Byron]

Ok, I will just stick with rasbora espei then. Unless I am able to find a "better" schooling fish

One fish that comes to mind is Danio margaritatus. The habitat of this species has very soft water, but a basic pH. I know it is not 8.2 or whatever, b ut it is on the basic side. A group of 20 is advised, but on their own, not with the rasbora.

Celestichthys margaritatus – Celestial Pearl ‘Danio’ (Danio margaritatus) — Seriously Fish

www.seriouslyfish.com

Another fish with near-identical water parameters is Brevibora dorsiocellata. Not as colourful certainly, but depending upon what you decide to go with, this fish is a contender.

Brevibora dorsiocellata – Eyespot Rasbora (Rasbora dorsiocellata) — Seriously Fish

www.seriouslyfish.com

Tanichthys albonubes is another, ideal for your water--yes, the white cloud mountain minnow.

Tanichthys albonubes – White Cloud Mountain Minnow (Aphyocypris pooni) — Seriously Fish

www.seriouslyfish.com

 

[Rocky998]

One fish that comes to mind is Danio margaritatus. The habitat of this species has very soft water, but a basic pH. I know it is not 8.2 or whatever, b ut it is on the basic side. A group of 20 is advised, but on their own, not with the rasbora.

Celestichthys margaritatus – Celestial Pearl ‘Danio’ (Danio margaritatus) — Seriously Fish

www.seriouslyfish.com

Another fish with near-identical water parameters is Brevibora dorsiocellata. Not as colourful certainly, but depending upon what you decide to go with, this fish is a contender.

Brevibora dorsiocellata – Eyespot Rasbora (Rasbora dorsiocellata) — Seriously Fish

www.seriouslyfish.com

Tanichthys albonubes is another, ideal for your water--yes, the white cloud mountain minnow.

Tanichthys albonubes – White Cloud Mountain Minnow (Aphyocypris pooni) — Seriously Fish

www.seriouslyfish.com

I like the celestial pearl danio but I noticed that im going for more of the reds and oranges for the top and middle of my tank... For some reason though I dont like ember tetras

 

[Rocky998]

I like the celestial pearl danio but I noticed that im going for more of the reds and oranges for the top and middle of my tank... For some reason though I dont like ember tetras

I also feel like because of the size of that danio, the colors are way too busy