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Starting An African Cichlid Tank :}

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So, I have had my 55 gallon up and running for about six months now, and for the past two all I've had in there is a pair of striped peacock eels. And I decided that I want to do an African Cichlid tank!!
So I guess this post is just asking you guys for advice, what to do what not to do, what fish to avoid, what fish would be good etc!
I am really excited. My boyfriends dad has cichlids and I don't know why but I was never a fan, but the other day a fish just kind of pulled me in and here I am!
So lots of advice PLEASE!! I have no idea what I'm doing with cichlids.
Thannk you guys!
 
Hi, you should post your tank dimesions, tap and tank water parameters, and existing decor list (especially, what substrate). I assume you're talking about Rift Lake cichlids, not the river cichlids?
 
Hi, you should post your tank dimesions, tap and tank water parameters, and existing decor list (especially, what substrate). I assume you're talking about Rift Lake cichlids, not the river cichlids?

The dimensions are 48L x 12 x 21H = 55 gallon.
I use tap water treated with dechlorinator (I know that's spelled wrong). And pH is 7 (nuetral), Nitrates and Nitrites are 0, and ammonia is 0.
My decor is just an artificial reef (cheesy I know but I like it). So I have two big decor rocks with lots of holes and hiding places. I have a little jaguar skull decoration in there with some fake plants which also helps them hide and then I have a clam airstone that opens and closes with some fake plants around it. And I have black sand substrate. And I believe so?? Like I said I know NOTHING about cichlids, I've tried to do some research but I'm finding out that you have to know exactly what fish you want to really find things out. So I figured I would ask the wise people of this site!
 
The dimensions are 48L x 12 x 21H = 55 gallon.
That's a good size to be starting with, although it's only 52 US gallons or 43 imperial gallons.

I use tap water treated with dechlorinator (I know that's spelled wrong). And pH is 7 (nuetral), Nitrates and Nitrites are 0, and ammonia is 0.
What about hardness? KH and GH?

My decor is just an artificial reef (cheesy I know but I like it). So I have two big decor rocks with lots of holes and hiding places. I have a little jaguar skull decoration in there with some fake plants which also helps them hide and then I have a clam airstone that opens and closes with some fake plants around it. And I have black sand substrate. And I believe so?? Like I said I know NOTHING about cichlids, I've tried to do some research but I'm finding out that you have to know exactly what fish you want to really find things out. So I figured I would ask the wise people of this site!
Are you wanting bright colours or interesting fish?

Without changing your decor much, you might want to be looking at small and calmer peacock cichlids. You will probably need to add some coral sand to the filter or to use reef bones as part of the decor to make the water harder (read about osmoregulation for more information about the why).
 
The dimensions are 48L x 12 x 21H = 55 gallon.
That's a good size to be starting with, although it's only 52 US gallons or 43 imperial gallons.

I use tap water treated with dechlorinator (I know that's spelled wrong). And pH is 7 (nuetral), Nitrates and Nitrites are 0, and ammonia is 0.
What about hardness? KH and GH?

My decor is just an artificial reef (cheesy I know but I like it). So I have two big decor rocks with lots of holes and hiding places. I have a little jaguar skull decoration in there with some fake plants which also helps them hide and then I have a clam airstone that opens and closes with some fake plants around it. And I have black sand substrate. And I believe so?? Like I said I know NOTHING about cichlids, I've tried to do some research but I'm finding out that you have to know exactly what fish you want to really find things out. So I figured I would ask the wise people of this site!
Are you wanting bright colours or interesting fish?

Without changing your decor much, you might want to be looking at small and calmer peacock cichlids. You will probably need to add some coral sand to the filter or to use reef bones as part of the decor to make the water harder (read about osmoregulation for more information about the why).

Well there was like 1/4's and 3/4's but I just rounded.
I have no idea about the hardness, how would I go about figuring that out?
And yes, I would like both colorful and interesting fish.
Okay, I was going to buy some coral from my LFS (the dead kind of course) and I am also planning on getting a 125 gallon tank in a year maybe, so I'm not too worried about size right now.
 
I have no idea about the hardness, how would I go about figuring that out?
Ask your water company, or even better (and I'd say you *must* have one if you're going to be keeping Rift Lake fish when your tap water is neutral) get test kits.

Okay, I was going to buy some coral from my LFS (the dead kind of course)
You would need quite a bit to make much difference…

[…] and I am also planning on getting a 125 gallon tank in a year maybe, so I'm not too worried about size right now.
Rift Lake cichlids which have the potential to outgrow your current tank will do so in under a year, but not all large ones are compatible with small ones even in a larger tank, so think about this carefully before you decide if you want to get new fish now or if you want to wait till the new tank and go for bigger fish.
 
Dwarf Mbuna will work well in your aquarium, Pseuodtropheus Saulosi/iodotropheus sprengerae and some Cynotilapia species to. You cold of also go down the tang route? Among Tanganyikan cichlids there is more smaller species to choose from that will be ideal for you tank.
 
Right, sorry if I sound ignorant here! I don't know anything about cichlids so anything you guys can do to help me out here is great! Thank you guys, what else could I do?
 
No worries ill try and explain as much as i can about lake malawi without going into to much detail and boring you lol :). Do you have any idea on what cichlids you like??

There is 3 Rift lakes in south African Lake Malawi/Lake Tanganyika and lake Victoria all have a vast range of African cichlids. In lake Malawi the PH ranges from 7.8 to 8.6, with a total hardness of 4.0-7.0 DH. The reason for the variation is caused by the level of Carbon Dioxide dissolved in the water. In areas with turbulent water, where the water is better aerated, the PH is higher, while in calm bays, the level of dissolved Carbon Dioxide is higher; consequently, the pH is lower there. Surface temperature ranges from 76 to 85 degrees, while the temperature at lower levels of the lake remain at a constant 70 degrees. So all this needs to be mimicked in your aquarium. There is many species of african rift cichlids in lake malawi, these are split into 3 groups. There is Malawi Mbuna which are the rock dwelling vegetarian cichlids of lake malawi and there is the more open water species (Haplochromis and Peacocks). Some Haps and peacocks can be kept together but Some Haps are piscivores and they prey on smaller cichlids in the wild, so their aggression levels could be a little OTT for the calmer peacock species. Where as the mbuna are algae grazing cichlids, grazing non stop on the algae covered rocks although they can be still Very aggressive fish. To set-up a thriving mbuna aquarium you need a well stocked aquarium, choosing the right species carefully so your tank is settled and mimics their natural environment as much as possible with a good amount of rocks/boulders for cover, ideally with a nice sand bed substrate . Rocks suitable to be used are varied, large chunks or rock are the nearest to what naturally occurs in the lake, but many hobbiests use ocean rock, limestone,lava rock or cobbles. Sand is the best substrate to use for malawis, as they like to sift it through their gills & some experts claim it aids digestion. It is also very easy to keep clean, with any debris just sitting on the surface ready to be vacuumed up! children's play sand is excellent to use & is very cheap compared to aquatic sand. Just make sure you give it a good rinse. Many people use coral sand to as this aid's the PH and general hardness of their aquarim. If they have a slightly lower PH this will help raise it, to match their cichlids needs. Haplochromis and peacocks species need a different kind of set-up but i personally don't think your tank is big enough for these species but if you want me to explain their needs and tank requirements then just say :)

Plants are not found where mbuna live in the lake & are generally not used in a malawi setup's, as the fish like to dig them up & tear pieces off which then clog the filter! however, some hobbiest's like the look of plants in their tanks & choose either fake/plastic or the more robust real plants such as amazon swords/Vallis etc...
A 4' (55G) tank is considered to be the minimum size for a malawi tank as most grow to a size of 6". Many people say The best way to minimize aggression is to crowd them and yes this can help a lot but if you choose your species wisely and figure out your stocking numbers correctly you will have a more peaceful, less overcrowded aquarium that IMO looks loads better :)
When it comes to stocking your tank ideally you want to add 6 to 12 fish at one time (depending on tank and filtration) or you could upset the biological balance in your filters. don't add only 1 or 2, as any existing fish will see the newcomers as a threat & could bully them to death. Adding a group will help spread the aggression throughout the tank, letting each individual fish choose their territory.

If you aim to overstock your tank filtration needs to be high, you can never over filtrate a african cichlid tank. External filters or sumps are the best, as you can fit more media inside & they require less maintenance than internals. Again depending on your stock water changes should be 25% to 50% every week as this is vital to their health & well being! Mbuna are vegetarians, so bloodworm & brine shrimp and any other 'meaty foods' should be avoided at all costs! or they can cause a condition called malawi bloat, which is often fatal. They will enjoy a varied diet of cichlid flakes, cichlid pellets, spirulina flake/pellets,courgettes, peas, cucumber, NLS(new life spectrum), New era cichlid pellets etc... Feed 2 to 3 times a day giving them a break 1 day a week.

Hopefully i haven't made any mistakes (Its late so i blaim that if i have ;))
Anything else just ask :)
 
No worries ill try and explain as much as i can about lake malawi without going into to much detail and boring you lol :). Do you have any idea on what cichlids you like??

There is 3 Rift lakes in south African Lake Malawi/Lake Tanganyika and lake Victoria all have a vast range of African cichlids. In lake Malawi the PH ranges from 7.8 to 8.6, with a total hardness of 4.0-7.0 DH. The reason for the variation is caused by the level of Carbon Dioxide dissolved in the water. In areas with turbulent water, where the water is better aerated, the PH is higher, while in calm bays, the level of dissolved Carbon Dioxide is higher; consequently, the pH is lower there. Surface temperature ranges from 76 to 85 degrees, while the temperature at lower levels of the lake remain at a constant 70 degrees. So all this needs to be mimicked in your aquarium. There is many species of african rift cichlids in lake malawi, these are split into 3 groups. There is Malawi Mbuna which are the rock dwelling vegetarian cichlids of lake malawi and there is the more open water species (Haplochromis and Peacocks). Some Haps and peacocks can be kept together but Some Haps are piscivores and they prey on smaller cichlids in the wild, so their aggression levels could be a little OTT for the calmer peacock species. Where as the mbuna are algae grazing cichlids, grazing non stop on the algae covered rocks although they can be still Very aggressive fish. To set-up a thriving mbuna aquarium you need a well stocked aquarium, choosing the right species carefully so your tank is settled and mimics their natural environment as much as possible with a good amount of rocks/boulders for cover, ideally with a nice sand bed substrate . Rocks suitable to be used are varied, large chunks or rock are the nearest to what naturally occurs in the lake, but many hobbiests use ocean rock, limestone,lava rock or cobbles. Sand is the best substrate to use for malawis, as they like to sift it through their gills & some experts claim it aids digestion. It is also very easy to keep clean, with any debris just sitting on the surface ready to be vacuumed up! children's play sand is excellent to use & is very cheap compared to aquatic sand. Just make sure you give it a good rinse. Many people use coral sand to as this aid's the PH and general hardness of their aquarim. If they have a slightly lower PH this will help raise it, to match their cichlids needs. Haplochromis and peacocks species need a different kind of set-up but i personally don't think your tank is big enough for these species but if you want me to explain their needs and tank requirements then just say :)

Plants are not found where mbuna live in the lake & are generally not used in a malawi setup's, as the fish like to dig them up & tear pieces off which then clog the filter! however, some hobbiest's like the look of plants in their tanks & choose either fake/plastic or the more robust real plants such as amazon swords/Vallis etc...
A 4' (55G) tank is considered to be the minimum size for a malawi tank as most grow to a size of 6". Many people say The best way to minimize aggression is to crowd them and yes this can help a lot but if you choose your species wisely and figure out your stocking numbers correctly you will have a more peaceful, less overcrowded aquarium that IMO looks loads better :)
When it comes to stocking your tank ideally you want to add 6 to 12 fish at one time (depending on tank and filtration) or you could upset the biological balance in your filters. don't add only 1 or 2, as any existing fish will see the newcomers as a threat & could bully them to death. Adding a group will help spread the aggression throughout the tank, letting each individual fish choose their territory.

If you aim to overstock your tank filtration needs to be high, you can never over filtrate a african cichlid tank. External filters or sumps are the best, as you can fit more media inside & they require less maintenance than internals. Again depending on your stock water changes should be 25% to 50% every week as this is vital to their health & well being! Mbuna are vegetarians, so bloodworm & brine shrimp and any other 'meaty foods' should be avoided at all costs! or they can cause a condition called malawi bloat, which is often fatal. They will enjoy a varied diet of cichlid flakes, cichlid pellets, spirulina flake/pellets,courgettes, peas, cucumber, NLS(new life spectrum), New era cichlid pellets etc... Feed 2 to 3 times a day giving them a break 1 day a week.

Hopefully i haven't made any mistakes (Its late so i blaim that if i have ;))
Anything else just ask :)

Oh goodness. I have so many questions I don't even know where to start! Well, already I have nine. So I guess I got something right in getting quite a few at once. (Like I said, my tank is well established so the water perimeters are fine besides the PH I'll have to work on.) I got them today, and I went to my LFS for four, I guess I need to go back and figure out EXACTLY what kind they are. They were in a tank with about 50 others (they're very small) so they were like 2 dollars a piece. I also went to a guy who was selling fry for 2 a piece so I bought four and he gave me one for free. Maybe I can post pictures of the ones I have and you can possibly indentify them for me? If not, I will have to figure something out.
One more question, was I have two six inch striped peacock eels in my tank, I've seen it done where they can live in harmony with african cichlids with the appropriate hiding spots and sand to bury themselves. If I get the cichlids small like I have been doing will they be used to the eels when they get bigger and ignore them?? I would hate for anything to happen to them because they are the love of my life and I know cichlids can get aggressive. Does it really just depend on the temperment of the fish? I know it might be hard for food but I can just put the food right into the eels caves and I THINK they'll be okay.
Can you mix cichlids between the three lakes or it is either cichlids from Victoria, Tangawhateva, (LOL) or Malawi?
I think I like the malawi best. They're the most colorful, yeah?
I have black sand substrate, and I'm not sure if I mentioned but no plants, it's an artificial reef tank, I know they're cheesy and look really fake but I like it. Also, I plan to get a 125-150 gallon tank in the next couple months to a year. So for now, it's small but soon I will have a big tank and I was thinking about using the 55 as a grow out tank. Good idea?
What's the difference between Malawi and Mbuna, is there one or are they the same? Like I mentioned I have the peacock eels in there so if I put bloodworms in there every other day will it harm my fish that are vegetarians? Or can I just make sure that it's all eaten and none is left sitting in the tank?
Again thank you so much for your help, other fish were easy but I feel like I newbie with these! As I am but still! VERY OVERWHELMING!
 
Just had to write this out twice as the laptop decided to turn of, it nearly went out of the window :p I forgot what i put to! lol

I hope that wasn't to much for you all at once :)
So you have 9 already? Yeah post some pics and we can hopefully find out what species you have.
The eel's maybe ok but its all about the species you have and feeding, once we know what species you have that will makes things a little easier. If you have some overly aggressive fish the eel's could be bullied and attacked to the point of the cichlid killing them, as its not uncommon for cichlids to kill eeachothe let alone an eel which is quite a placid species compared to mbuna I think?? Are they??
The feeding could be an issue to, if you can feed them without any of the cichlid's getting the bloodworm then that's ok. Again its hard to say yet as you may not have mbuna so, if you don't then depending on the species they may be able to eat bloodworm as its part of their diet, if this is the case the eel's could live in harmony with them. Untill we know the species its hard to say yes or no yet.
It is done on a regular basis and you do see some beautiful mixed African cichlid tanks, i personally wouldn't advice mixing the 3 lakes as they each have their specific need's and requirements that may not match with certain species from each lake. Tanganyika ;) LOL
That depends, there is some beautiful species from each of the 3 lakes, i do think malawi offers more with color due to the amount of different species available. Some species from lake Tang offer different body shapes and temperament's/character especially the shell dwellers very funny little fish.
Yeah, sounds a good idea to me, give's you time to build up some knowledge while keeping the fish in your grow out tank and then when you get the new 125\150 it will look great and you will know what to do and what fish you want :)
Malawi and mbuna are the same, basically there is the 3 groups of fish from lake Malawi (like i said earlier mbuna/haplochromis and peacock cichlids) and most people categories the 3 groups as Malawi cichlids, just easier i suppose.

I have probably missed something now with me having to type it twice, stupid laptop. lol :p
Hope that helps.
 
Just had to write this out twice as the laptop decided to turn of, it nearly went out of the window :p I forgot what i put to! lol

I hope that wasn't to much for you all at once :)
So you have 9 already? Yeah post some pics and we can hopefully find out what species you have.
The eel's maybe ok but its all about the species you have and feeding, once we know what species you have that will makes things a little easier. If you have some overly aggressive fish the eel's could be bullied and attacked to the point of the cichlid killing them, as its not uncommon for cichlids to kill eeachothe let alone an eel which is quite a placid species compared to mbuna I think?? Are they??
The feeding could be an issue to, if you can feed them without any of the cichlid's getting the bloodworm then that's ok. Again its hard to say yet as you may not have mbuna so, if you don't then depending on the species they may be able to eat bloodworm as its part of their diet, if this is the case the eel's could live in harmony with them. Untill we know the species its hard to say yes or no yet.
It is done on a regular basis and you do see some beautiful mixed African cichlid tanks, i personally wouldn't advice mixing the 3 lakes as they each have their specific need's and requirements that may not match with certain species from each lake. Tanganyika ;) LOL
That depends, there is some beautiful species from each of the 3 lakes, i do think malawi offers more with color due to the amount of different species available. Some species from lake Tang offer different body shapes and temperament's/character especially the shell dwellers very funny little fish.
Yeah, sounds a good idea to me, give's you time to build up some knowledge while keeping the fish in your grow out tank and then when you get the new 125\150 it will look great and you will know what to do and what fish you want :)
Malawi and mbuna are the same, basically there is the 3 groups of fish from lake Malawi (like i said earlier mbuna/haplochromis and peacock cichlids) and most people categories the 3 groups as Malawi cichlids, just easier i suppose.

I have probably missed something now with me having to type it twice, stupid laptop. lol :p
Hope that helps.


Yes, I have nine, all are going to be very beautiful I think! I will try to figure out how to post pictures, I just took them so bear with me a minute. Okay, and I think I will stick with Malawi then, I like them. I think that's what I have. So let me post these pictures and you can see if you know :}
 
Ohh boy, can anyone help me to post these pictures? I just can't seem to figure out how to put the pictures in directly.
 

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