Slow Motion Guppy P13, New Symptoms

[PrairieSunflower]

Will do, won't be able to go to the fish shop with all the meds until the weekend.

 

[WILDER]

OK.
Hope the fish get well soon.
Good Luck.

 

[PrairieSunflower]

Thanks, no sign of the other boys having anything... just want to keep it that way now! Will get the Interpet meds on Saturday.

 

[PrairieSunflower]

Wilder, so I've been treating with the meds you suggested, once I reach the 4 days mark... should I use the second dose or is just the initial dose enough (since my remaining guppies don't look ill).... or is the full course the best idea?

 

[WILDER]

I would finish the full course. Never good to cut meds short.

I would do the full course.
Best not to cut the med course short.

Glad to hear your fish are looking well.

 

[PrairieSunflower]

Will do, just wasn't sure if perhaps a half dose is the way to go... I always hear people talking about half doses, gets confusing!

 

[WILDER]

I wouldn't advise using half dose with bacterial medications.
The only medications you have to half dose with is copper based parasite meds, which some fish are very sensitive too.

 

[PrairieSunflower]

Ah, good to know.

 

[PrairieSunflower]

Well... I seem to have lost another one in my male tank... again, not sure if its related to this death and the red line death. This was my baby belonging to Mystery (from this thread), such a shame, he was shaping up to look pretty much identical too.

I did take a picture but I don't have the time today to upload it, but its probably not too helpful. This baby had a light colored body (taking on a tiny hint of blue in the body) and he had a pale pink patch on his belly, but no line. He didn't have any symptoms beforehand and I just found him dead this afternoon.

 

[WILDER]

Do you mean the fish has a hint of blue slime on the fish body.
Any signs of darting, erratic swimming, flicking and rubbing on objects in the tank?

Sorry for your loss.

 

[snazy]

Would you be able to post a video of the tank in general and fish?
What have you treated with so far?
How many fish died, how far apart and if you remember, what symptoms did they have exactly?
Do you think it's something contagious? Did the newly affected fish have contact or nibbled on the dead body of previous fish, etc...Is it possible it spread via drops of water, etc....


If it's bacterial infection, it could be:
1. Caused by gram negative bacteria
2. Caused by gram positive bacteria

Both can be either aerobic(in highly oxygenated) or anaerobic(in less oxygenated water, high waste) bacterial infections

3. Protozoa infections of all kinds, internal or external
4. Fungi
5. Virus

So you have to evaluate your water conditions, the type of treatments you've tried, what were the medications effective against mostly(bacteria or parasites, whether gram negative bacteria mostly or gram positive) and if they had any effect on the fish at all, if not, then move on to the next closest possibility.

 

[PrairieSunflower]

Do you mean the fish has a hint of blue slime on the fish body.
Any signs of darting, erratic swimming, flicking and rubbing on objects in the tank?

Sorry for your loss.

No, not a thing. My fish was taking after daddy who had a blue-ish body... his blue was only starting to show. Sad to lose him, love his daddy's looks!

There is nothing about any of my fish to make me think any of them would have anything. I've been watching them every day for any sign of anything so this is a total surprise.

 

[WILDER]

OK
Just needed to check as I thought you meant the fish had a blueish film on him.
Which can mean a parasite called Chilodonella.

Does the pink mark on the fish have a circling of dead white tissue around the edges?

The red line all I can think of is septicemia. I can't think what else the red line on the fish could be.

Going to read your thread again from the beginning.

 

[PrairieSunflower]

Would you be able to post a video of the tank in general and fish? Will do that once I get back in a couple of hours... not sure how good my camera will be taking a video of such small fish.
What have you treated with so far? In the last 2 weeks, I treated the tank for ich as my fish had spots. I stopped after he died and made sure the medicine was removed before treating (still on the last dose) with Anti Bacterial Meds
How many fish died, how far apart and if you remember, what symptoms did they have exactly? My first fish was about 1 month ago (posted a topic called "Red Line") technically he didn't die of it, didn't figure out what it was an euthanized him in fears that it might be worm parasites and hoping to contain it. Then was the one from this post who was all slow motion, then seemed to have ich, then died and had a red line after death... that was last week. Then yesterday it was a juvenile of about 2 months old... no symptoms, just found him dead, had a slight pinkish patch on his belly. I have a picture, will post that later as well.
Do you think it's something contagious? Did the newly affected fish have contact or nibbled on the dead body of previous fish, etc...Is it possible it spread via drops of water, etc.... It's contained in just one of my tanks. My male guppies chase each other so do normal showing off to each other all the time. My slow motion guppy was wedged really well under the plants when I found him so most likely the others didn't notice. The one from yesterday was wedged up high between the glass and thermometer.


If it's bacterial infection, it could be:
1. Caused by gram negative bacteria
2. Caused by gram positive bacteria

Both can be either aerobic(in highly oxygenated) or anaerobic(in less oxygenated water, high waste) bacterial infections

3. Protozoa infections of all kinds, internal or external
4. Fungi
5. Virus

So you have to evaluate your water conditions, the type of treatments you've tried, what were the medications effective against mostly(bacteria or parasites, whether gram negative bacteria mostly or gram positive) and if they had any effect on the fish at all, if not, then move on to the next closest possibility.

Sorry, must have cross posted with your yesterday and missed your post... answers within your post above... My water stats are very consistent in this tank so I am sure its not due to poor water quality.

OK
Just needed to check as I thought you meant the fish had a blueish film on him.
Which can mean a parasite called Chilodonella.

Does the pink mark on the fish have a circling of dead white tissue around the edges? Not that I noticed, will take another look when I upload the picture later... just looked more like a pink smudge... sort of like someone had added pink marker and it got wet and blurred so you couldn't see a spot anymore... hope that helps!

The red line all I can think of is septicemia. I can't think what else the red line on the fish could be.

Going to read your thread again from the beginning.

 

[snazy]

The slow motion guppy thing reminds me of whirling disease. But without seeing it and no other symptoms it's purely a guess. Have a look online.
The fish can get it from another dead fish normally but it's not contagious through water.
This interpret antiinternal bacteria meds is not an antibiotic. You may need a stronger antibiotic.
For a broad range of parasites and worms you can try Praziquantel. It's harmless to fish even overdodsed,harmless to the filter bacteria, does not require water changes and does not require active carbon removal.
The dosage is 1/4 tsp per 25 gallons. Repeat every 7 days for 3 total treatments. Perform a 25% water change in between treatments.
Or you can get Tetra/ Jungle Parasite Guard(or API General Cure) along with higher temperatures. If the fish have parasites/worms, they don't like higher temperatures and help the fish recover faster. If it is a bacterial infection, it will make the fish worse because most bacteria thrive in higher temperatures and that will make the bacteria spread faster. If you treat for both parasites and bacterial infection at the same time, do not raise the temperature.
After the anti/parasitic treatment, if fish are still dying you can move on to antibiotics depending/if any new symptoms.
A good internal and external/internal antibacterial antibiotic is Seachem Kanaplex. It treats a range of stuff and in the recommended dosage does not affect the filter. It treats gram-negative bacteria only which is the most likely occurence in tanks. Normally after parasitic infection fish can get bacterial infection becuase of the tiny damage on the fish that the parasites/worms have done.

In all cases make sure you do a thorough vacuum clean often, make sure the water is well oxygenated, do regular water changes as well to improve the water quality. Make sure there's no ammonia or nitrItes at all times. Check your filter, it may not be adequate for the tank causing water quality issues, etc...As all these can lead to stress, weaken the fish and cause all type of infestations