SIP, my big momma shrimp, mother of colonies. Establishing first colony is hard!

Total hardness 253 mg/ I CaCO3
15 degrees German
These are the two numbers you need. German degrees is the same as dH and mg/l CaCO3 is the same as ppm. Fish profiles use either dH or ppm, and you now have your hardness in both - 253 ppm and 15 dH.





(The reason I have a reputation for understanding water chemistry is that I have a degree in chemistry, although it was a long time ago now. And my son also has a degree and doctorate in chemistry and used to work as an analyst for a water testing company so I can always ask him ;) )
 
I really appreciate the help, despite my frustrated ramblings, thank you!
I do love the livebearers, which is why I wanted guppies so badly, they're just so pretty, and nice little characters. Have produced about 150-200 guppy fry over the last year, most of which have been great, and my LFS takes them. My dad has a 55 gallon that has black mollies with silver (but not a true dalmation) which breed steadily, plus some platies, tetra and bronze cories. Since it's a community, only a few fry tend to make it, but that's fine with us. The three original black mollies are a good 2-3 inches and five or so years old now.
That's alright, always happy to help^^
You surely are right, livebearers are sweet little fish, I promise you that with your 30 gallon tank, mollies and swordtails you will be entertained for hours :D You could do platies too, my male platy is so insecure lol.
Well, this is disheartening. I love those little otos, and they seem to be doing so well, but RO water just isn't feasible for me to be doing right now either. I don't want to send them back to the store, since they were thin and frail when I got them, store tanks aren't coated in algae.

Man, this bloody hobby. I don't even know what to do anymore. I cannot afford to buy/set up/house a 30-50 gallon right now like people are suggesting, I just wanted a sweet little guppy and shrimp tank. Big enough for them, not so big that I can't manage it/fit in my house. Guppies and otos are recommended as tankmates all over the place, I get them and love them, and find out I'm apparently killing them and have to get rid of them.
I feel you, I had two ottos before too, but I didn't know I had hard water and they need soft water and they both passed :( I'm suggesting a 30 gallon tank for you to get more livebearers..
How much guppies do you have in the tank right now?
 
Well, this is disheartening. I love those little otos, and they seem to be doing so well...
Guppies and otos are recommended as tankmates all over the place, I get them and love them, and find out I'm apparently killing them and have to get rid of them.
You are not killing them and you don't need to give them away - who knows where they will end up if you do. Yes the water is harder than is ideal for them but they have been thriving in your care for 8 months, which is a lot better than many people with ideal water manage. Knowing this may influence your future stocking choices but it does not make sense to give them away.
 
Thank you so much all of you! I needed to go make a cup of coffee and take some deep breaths, and think it over for a minute. Will do more research and come up with a plan!

I definitely don't want to try to rehome them. Like @seangee said, I'd worry about them starving or catching a disease in the LFS, or going to a home where they really didn't have what they need, but would likely be in the same hard water. Giving them away also tricky when most people in my area are going to be using the same water, and most people aren't going to be travelling far or paying for shipping to pick up a few otos.

So, I can either keep them as they are and hope for the best, or turn my 15 gal quarantine tank into a softer water tank, and move the otos into that. I do have a covered water barrel that collects rainwater, which my dad has used in his tanks for years without issue. I could run some tests on that water tomorrow? If that's no good, then I'll find out what exactly RO water is, and where I can find it. I've committed to these little guys, and while I'd rather just bear in mind hard water conditions next time, and I'm sad they don't suit my water, I'll do what I can to give these little dudes a good life here.

Is my water okay for my shrimplets?
 
Yes, my shrimp thrive in my water which is same as yours and they have no problems with molting either.
Aaaw, have yours bred as well? It's good to know that yours are doing well with the same water, mine do seem to be growing well and pretty fast, some are almost as big as the mother was, so they must be getting pretty close to breeding age themselves.

I will have to look into the genetic diversity though, and when to introduce new stock, since mine all came from the same two parents.
 
If that's no good, then I'll find out what exactly RO water is, and where I can find it.
Someone posted a link to these guys recently https://www.spotlesswater.co.uk/
Pricing seems very good if there is one local to you. I can't vouch for the quality personally because I have my own filter. Before that I used to buy it from my local maidenhead aquatics at at £3.50 for 25 liters (you need your own container). Based on the info you posted mixing your tap water 50/50 with RO would be perfect for your otos.
 
Someone posted a link to these guys recently https://www.spotlesswater.co.uk/
Pricing seems very good if there is one local to you. I can't vouch for the quality personally because I have my own filter. Before that I used to buy it from my local maidenhead aquatics at at £3.50 for 25 liters (you need your own container). Based on the info you posted mixing your tap water 50/50 with RO would be perfect for your otos.
:hyper: That's an awesome resource, thank you! Especially since searching "RO water, Bristol" basically gives you links to pretty pricey filters, which I'm not quite ready to invest in! There is a location within a 20-30 minute drive, and the price point is very reasonable. Worth it for the Oto gang. Hmm. Now it opens up possibilties for a large-ish nano tank. The otos with some ember tetras or purple halequin raspboras perhaps? Or celestial pearl danios? (would research hardness and other conditions first of course, just the idea of a softer water tank, since I really have to set one up now, is sparking some ideas!)
 
Aaaw, have yours bred as well? It's good to know that yours are doing well with the same water, mine do seem to be growing well and pretty fast, some are almost as big as the mother was, so they must be getting pretty close to breeding age themselves.

I will have to look into the genetic diversity though, and when to introduce new stock, since mine all came from the same two parents.
Yeah, mine have bred many times, the berried females showed up less often and now they don't breed now at all.
 
Yeah, mine have bred many times, the berried females showed up less often and now they don't breed now at all.
Brilliant that they've bred, sorry that they seem to have stopped! I'm too new to shrimp to have any idea why that might be I'm afraid. Maybe some new blood might help? They might just be bored with each other and need some new skrimps to wake 'em up! ;)
 
Brilliant that they've bred, sorry that they seem to have stopped! I'm too new to shrimp to have any idea why that might be I'm afraid. Maybe some new blood might help? They might just be bored with each other and need some new skrimps to wake 'em up! ;)
Yeah, I thought about getting some new cherries from my local maidenhead aquatics some day. Though I have the same pair of amano shrimp and my female is obsessed with eggs so she's berried actually everysingle day. I have never seen her not berried :rofl:
 
Uh oh. I feel an episode of MTS (multiple tank syndrome) coming on ;).
Don't worry I have 4 - and I'm not the only one.
Technically, I already have two of my own, and partial custody of a third... ;) This 15 gal guppy/oto/shrimp was the first of my own, and my main tank, then I bought another 15 gallon to have next to it when I discovered that my adult guppies don't seem to eat fry at all, and many more were surviving than I'd anticipated... So the second tank is a grow out and quarantine tank. Of course if I convert it to soft water, then I'm gonna need another grow out tank. I also really wanted to set up a betta tank at some point...

The third tank is actually my father's tank, a 55 gallon community which is already overstocked, and I have no control over what fish he keeps. He 'allows me' to do the water changes, mess with his planting, clean the glass and catch up molly and platy fry to take to the LFS, but that's about it. I keep shoving more and more plants in there to help with the overstocking, and to be fair, the fish in there seem to have adapted pretty well to an old school and long neglected tank. He's gradually listening to me more, so hopefully can reduce the number of livebearers in there over time. I'd dearly love to empty it and overhaul it, but I do what I can, bit by bit!

If I had more space for tanks, there would definitely be 5-6 around here! But since I've gone from my 2 bedroom flat to having one room in my folks house (elderly and ailing, and need more full time care) I really can't squeeze in any more right now, besides another grow out tank. And maybe a betta tank... lol!
 
If I had more space for tanks, there would definitely be 5-6 around here! But since I've gone from my 2 bedroom flat to having one room in my folks house (elderly and ailing, and need more full time care) I really can't squeeze in any more right now, besides another grow out tank. And maybe a betta tank... lol!
I'd love to have over 60 tanks and actually open a fish shop of my own. Get a betta tank! A 10 gallon, with sponge filter and a heater and you will have the happiest betta ever. And they're so curious!
 

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