should goldfish be given away at fairs

should goldfish be given away as prizes at fairs ?

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those same 90 fish could be bought at a local fish store ?

I think I get what you'r talking about. You'r thinking that if they hadn't got them at the fair, they'd have bought them from the fish store and we'd have the same number dying.

Fact is, that isn't how it works. People at fairs aren't usualy planning to get the fish - they win it as a prize. Like I said in my post before, they are usualy completely unprepaired and completely ignorant as to what keeping the goldfish will involve. Its an impulse aquisition. Oh yes sure, I know people buy fish on impulse at the LFS too but, at least there they are likely to be able to buy a decent tank (though probably still not large enough) and get some advice (whether good or bad, most LFSs will give some vaguely useful advice - at least they'll get de-chlorinator!).

Besides, just cause 90 fish will die after being bought from an LFS, does that mean we should add another 90 on won at a fair?
 
i dont know how to tell which fish looks happier but still i think that the first one would be happier and wont get stunted to much at all so good post germansheperdlver
 
ok all the arguments on here against are purely speculation

whos to say out of 100 fish as quoted by paul 90 would not find good homes and 10 die ?

fish stores are just as indiscriminate when selling undersized tanks for fish and herein lies the problem

not bad kids or bad parents but bad advice ,i won fish at the hoppings when i was a kid and all of them lived for years yes some in bowls becouse back then that was the norm ,as you grow older you learn,as i stated some of the fish i got later from the same place i still have in the pond

kids will never learn if not given the chance ,i have a 4 year old and a 7 year old and both help feed and care for my fish

as for the original question should they be given away as prizes why not if there kept in humane conditions by the fair people

its no more cruel than a fish store selling a fish to someone along with a dinky toy tank and telling the buyer yes that tanks fine


with regards to cuba and his/her JD ive no idea what thats about or what one is for that matter lol but i take it there aggresive ,i could quote a previous post about cruelty but wont go there as its besides the point

we all make mistakes with our fish even the most experienced keeper so why single out kids

brain overload now stop typing lie down in dark room :hyper:
 
Paul_MTS said:
ha now i see the full picture.

it isn't much of a case coming from cuba saying it isn't cruel as he feeds goldfish pointlessly to his JD just to see the agresion, so I'm sure you would love to still be able to go down the fairs and win a goldfish for your entertainment.
hey #^$%& where are you getting this info from?
 
cuba408 said:
Paul_MTS said:
ha now i see the full picture.

it isn't much of a case coming from cuba saying it isn't cruel as he feeds goldfish pointlessly to his JD just to see the agresion, so I'm sure you would love to still be able to go down the fairs and win a goldfish for your entertainment.
hey #^$%& where are you getting this info from?
your other posts :rolleyes:

i don't think thats much of case against fish shops as the majority will try and sell the customer a bigger more suitable tank, as i well know though alot of customers are stubon idiots.

if the fairs housed the fish in humane conditions, made sure the winner had somewhere to put it...also in humane conditions, not a vase or large wine glass then i wouldn't have any problems with them giving them away but as it happens neither of those things happen. Out of 100 COMMON goldfish at work they will all go to ponds, in a fair some will go in the bins around the fair, others will get flushed, some will get put in cereal bowls for hours on end then ones that do survive that weekend will most likely live in a painfully small goldfish bowl that has it's water changed when it starts to stink.
 
Not sure how to put on links but for those of you in the uk argos have a lovely little fish starter set! I actually had something just like it - for trasporting my hamster!! It's only £9.99 but they do point out it is only suitable for 2 fish without filtration!!

http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/s...&clickfrom=name

Hope you guys can find what I am talking about and see how easy it is for people to get confused about the requirements of goldfish.
I grew up thinking you only needed a bowl and water because that's what I was told. It is wrong that you guys always give kids a hard time. What do you expect and how many kids of 5/6yrs old do you know who join forums like this?
I only found out about the deal with goldfish from you guys and have never heard it mentioned in even the best pet shop.

Naturally I will make sure that my kids know better but can someone tell me why the pet stores market the larger tanks at tropical fish and the small ones at coldwater? This is what needs to change.

Edit: yeah, link works, I'm so proud of myself I didn't even have to ask hubby!! (turns out it was pretty easy, oops!)
 
This is in relation to pet store goldfish. Don't get confused. :thumbs:

This is just COMMON SENSE in my opinion. Where do you pick the goldfish from? Display TANKS, filtered, airated TANKS. Why in your right mind would you buy a fish that's in a tank and put it in a BOWL? Why don't they just put them in bowls at the store if they could live in them, it'd save all the effort in care and cost? The store can give the most BS information but they know enough to display them in tanks, why people don't get this is beyond me.

I'm sorry but even the feeder fish are in tanks, cramped tanks but tanks non the less. It makes no sense at all. -_-


Now for prize goldfish.

Our school gave them away one year at lunch. Many people took them, some trashed them, flushed them, even ate them but I bet the very few that survived the 3 hour bags kept them. Honestly this is High school and out of the 200 feeders given away maybe 10 are alive still. I was keeping angels at the time but gave them away to make room for the goldfish, Trevor (the common) was an inch LAST SUMMER and not knowing any better put him in a filtered 10 gallon with an airstone formly the angels. Now he's 6 inches and in a pond. It took me (a previously knowagable fish keeper) a good 10 months to find out how to meet this fish's needs. In all honesty, after keeping tropicals and now goldfish, I have to admit the tropicals were WAY EASIER to care for.

I'm not bashing either the informed keeprs or the uninformed keepers. For ANY pet be it mammals, reptiles, birds, or fish EVERYONE needs to do their homework and not act on impulse buying/winning.
 
Sandusky said:
This is just COMMON SENSE in my opinion. Where do you pick the goldfish from? Display TANKS, filtered, airated TANKS. Why in your right mind would you buy a fish that's in a tank and put it in a BOWL? Why don't they just put them in bowls at the store if they could live in them, it'd save all the effort in care and cost? The store can give the most BS information but they know enough to display them in tanks, why people don't get this is beyond me.
Because it wouldn't. They put goldfish in tank (and indeed, other fish) because-
1. Tanks are rectanglular so you can stack them up etc.
2. You can cram more fish in a tank than in a bowl
3. You'd have to do more maintenence on a bowl, as the dead would be more noticable, bowls get manky quicker etc.

CheekeyArab-
I've been looking for an email address to complain about those for a while. LFS's generally market larger tanks at tropicals because-
1. Tropicals are generally not as hardy
2. Tropicals need a heater
3. Tropicals are seen as more of a decoration due to their colouring, whereas goldfish are seen as a cheap pet.
 
I didnt vote as i can see it from different ways and no one is wrong and no one is right, as i see attitudes to goldies is different in america than it is in the uk.

In the u.k you cant buy a fish from a pet shop until you are 14 is it? but you could win one at a fair :blink: . Even though its now illegal to give fish as prizes its still happening as GSL has found.

Its great cuba that your introducing your kids into caring for fish but thats really only because you yourself have fish. Many kids parents dont have fish and see goldies as a toy or put them in a bowl and watch them die. Its rare that you get a kid that actually wants to look after it properly. When i was 14 i myself won my first goldie at a fair and it wasnt until i got home with it that i realised i had nothing to put it in. Luckily for me my dad kept fish many years before and went out the next day (goldie lived in a fruit bowl for the night) and got me a small plastic tank and he lived there for a few months before i was totally bitten by the bug and got a proper sized tank and all the gizmos for him.

The mentality is, it doesnt cost much for a goldie so why spend loads of money on a tank when you can put it in a bowl or other cheap tank and just feed it once a day. Thats how people see them, a cheap pet, and until more is done by stopping these manufacturers from making these tiny tanks and putting a pic of loads of goldies on the front then nothing is going to change. Would putting the price up for a goldfish help? or do pet shops want the turnover of the fish and not care what people put them in, because in a fortnights time the goldfish are dying and the parents bring back the kid to pick yet another one and maybe a friend for it as well.

As for pet shops selling goldies its unbelievable the attitude to fish i have seen recently. In my town there's a very good pet shop that only stocks fish and if you want a goldie you have to tell him what size of tank etc before he will sell it, and if its something like a sarasa comet he wont sell it to you unless you have a pond. He doesnt sell any small tanks or bowls and his one failing is he stocks the bi orb, but he discourages people buying commons for it. Also, if they dont have the right size tank for the fish he simply wont sell them the fish. Maybe also he makes a lot of money on the tropical side of it so he can care for the goldies more or maybe he just sees them as the same as tropicals and wants them to have a good a life as possible. I just wish there were more fish shops like his.
In another town there is a pet shop mainly selling fluffy pets and a small section with fish. I witnessed a man buying two fish and then bought one of those plastic round things that might hold a gallon of water if your lucky. I said to the assistant they wouldnt last long and she just shrugged her shoulders. So to me that says they dont care about the fish only the fluffy animals and its those attitudes we need to change.
Pet shops are the first place people go to with their kids when they want a goldfish, so its up to the assistant to tell them at the beginning what they need and not sell those prison cells for fish. If the customers dont want to do that then they should refuse to sell the fish and direct them to the hamster cages instead.
Many stores are just to make a profit and they really dont care how the fish are going to be treated and until that stops then we will always have the fortunate fish owner who cares enough to look online and find us to help them.
 
Well i still think it is wrong and nothing is going to change my mind really because IF a child wants a fish i think they should be responsible and ask for one,then go to the LPS and get some sort of advice as well as a decent sized tank.Instead of eing lumbered with the responsibility of winning one.

also if it was ok and humane why would it be illegal?
 
We live in a changing world GSL and people are starting to realise that animals need to have more protection. When i was growing up anyone who had a goldfish had it in a bowl or very small plastic tank and its only as we learn about our pets through more information do we know how to care for them properly. Sadly, for the most part, the goldfish is still seen as a cheap and cheerful pet for kids to have and its only really in the past year that we are slowly seeing a change in attitude.
For the majority vote i would say yes it is cruel for fairs to give away fish, but i would see myself as a hypocrite because thats how i got my first fish and i couldnt bash someone for getting a fish that way either.
Good to see you are so strong in your feelings though :)
 

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