should goldfish be given away at fairs

should goldfish be given away as prizes at fairs ?

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i voted no.
its completly in humane and disgusting.

But the first ever fish i got was at a fair.
little goldfish, half an inch long.
i called him Lil G :p
i had no where to put him (i was around 10) so went to my friend and asked if he could take him. They had a massive pond and still do. little G turned out to be a small koi!
He now lives happily amongst others :)

DD
 
cuba, you keep insisting that because its an "intro pet" and the goldfish are distributed in little plastic 1/2g containers, its a good thing.

you are aware that the common goldfish should grow to at least a foot in length if properly kept? and that the recommended stocking level for common goldfish is 30g for the first and and additional 10g per additional goldfish? goldfish aren't cheapie fish if kept properly! there's a reason most of them wind up in ponds.

think of it this way. your jack dempsey is a "cute" 2-inch fish. he's a messy eater and the waste would build up really fast in a 10g. and even though he would get stunted and live a shortened life in a 10g, he'd still get pretty big. he definitely couldn't live very long in a cheapie uncycled 1g bowl with no heater, no filter, no airstone...

so would you like to see hundreds of little dempseys handed out for free in tiny containers decorated to look like long-term living arrangements? because there aren't that many differences between a dempsey and a goldfish in terms of healthy living arrangements.
 
ha now i see the full picture.

it isn't much of a case coming from cuba saying it isn't cruel as he feeds goldfish pointlessly to his JD just to see the agresion, so I'm sure you would love to still be able to go down the fairs and win a goldfish for your entertainment.
 
cuba408 said:
thats true but again this is all very general declarations. remember theirs good and bad kids.
Kids aren't good or bad. They don't know better. They aren't malicious or evil with an intent to harm everything at the age of 5. It doesn't work that way.

They need to LEARN. It is hard to LEARN that goldfish need 20 gallons + a fish when adults don't even know that. There is a huge misconception with goldfish! It has nothing to do with the inherently bad or good nature of the child.
 
Seahorse said:
cuba408 said:
thats true but again this is all very general declarations. remember theirs good and bad kids.
Kids aren't good or bad. They don't know better. They aren't malicious or evil with an intent to harm everything at the age of 5. It doesn't work that way.
DO YOU HAVE ANY KIDS?

MAYBE ITS JUST HOW I RAISE MY DAUGHTER.I HAVE A 2 YEAR OLD AND SHES VERY GOOD WITH HER GOLDFISH. I HAVE SMALL 8 GALLON WIDE TANK IN THE KITCHEN WHERE I KEEP HER GOLD FISHES AND SHE CLIMBS UP ON A CHAIR AND FEEDS THEM, TALKS TO THEM, AND LAUGHS AT THEM. SHE EVEN FEEDS THEM WHEN I TELL HER ITS TIME TO FEED THE FISHIES. SHE NEVER THROWS ANYTHING IN THE TANK OR TRYS TO REACH IN.
 
an 8 gallon with more than 1 goldfish.....yah ok :eek:

fact of life people look down upon goldfish and giving them away at fairs is no help to the matter, the phrase " it's just a goldfish" is said way to often in the fishy world, especially just after I advise them to buy a descent size tank for it.
 
I voted a firm no.

Giving any living animal away to people as a prize is completely irresponsible.
The people getting it are un-prepaired, have not done any research, most won't even have a suitable tank. None of the people I know who have gotten goldfish at fairs are aware when they get them that a single fish needs 20 gallons minnimum, that they like to be in groups, that they should be treated exactly the same as tropicals but for the temperature (yes, a goldfish tank DOES need to be cycled!), that they grow to a foot and, most of all, that they can live to be 30 years old.

Whether the child is 'good' or 'bad' or likes the fish or is itnerested in them etc or not is COMPLETELY irrelevant. The fact is, with young children, it is always the parent that must be prepaired to take on teh responsibility. Unfortunately, with all the misinformation and the misconceptions surounding goldfish, most parents would be inclined to throw the goldfish in a bowl and forget about it. Shure they might get the child to feed it every day - but the goldfish also needs a big enough tank, a filter, a weekly water change, a gravel vacuum, water parameter checks and a visual check every now and then to ensure the fish is healthy. Besides, kids lose interest and most preffer 'cuddly' pets like rabbits or guinea pigs because they are more 'hands-on' and 'interactive'.

The 'pretty' little tanks you get the goldfish in may be attractive to look at but that doesn't mean they are good for the goldfish. It's like saying that because a dog crate is brightly colored it's fine to keep it in there permanently. Obviously, that's ridiculous. Aesthetics have absolutely nothing to do with the fish' well-being and keeping them in that sort of environment, limmiting their space to that extent, not meeting their basic requirements, not even taking the time to research their proper care before actualy taking one on is downright cruel and usualy results in the loss of a life. Maybe a goldfish life isn't important to some people. I, however, value it very much.

It isn't impossible to refuse the prize at a fair if it happens to be a live fish. I know parents will start bringing up how they feel sorry for their children or their children beg them to get it or start a tantrum. Fact is, what the child wants doesn't concern me - I'm not prepaired to sacrifice a life just because a child is going to do a little crying. They get over it. Next minute they'll be in the bouncy castle laughing and shouting. Not a care in the world.

I can't stand how people value goldfish less than other pets. I mean it isn't just a comparison between goldfish and rabbits or something - it's other fish as well. For example, goldfish get to about the same size as an oscar, yet somehow the minnimum tanks size for a goldfish is 20 gallons (even though they are active, social fish!). No-one who's done any research would keep an oscar in the same size tank! I mean, even danios get a better deal if you think about it (in proportion to their size)! I know the minnimum tank sizes etc are reasonable guidelines and I'm fine with that as I know it's not something that's going to be changing any time soon and, often, it just isn't practical BUT, when I see people who won't even meet the current, very modest, guidelines for keeping goldfish, it makes wonder what they are doing with a fish as a pet in the first place.

As for the argument that it attracts new fish-keepers into the hobby, if someone likes fish, they'll get interested anyway and will probably do some research first as well. They don't need to mis-treat a goldfish first and it certainly doesn't need to be one from a fair (the whole transport process etc is very stressful as well). My point is, let those people who love fish enjoy this hobby. Let those who don't care mind their own business. Don't involve parents and children who realy aren't interested in fish. They won't be serious or dedicated or prepaired to put the work into it. That just ends in tradgedy, unfortunately, always for the fish.

This is a subject I feel very strongly about. I'm very happy this completely inhumane practice has become illegal. Hopefuly people can now also start getting educated on how you SHOULD keep goldfish and we can forget all the old myths.

Sorry about the rant.
 
cuba408 said:
Seahorse said:
cuba408 said:
thats true but again this is all very general declarations. remember theirs good and bad kids.
Kids aren't good or bad. They don't know better. They aren't malicious or evil with an intent to harm everything at the age of 5. It doesn't work that way.
DO YOU HAVE ANY KIDS?

MAYBE ITS JUST HOW I RAISE MY DAUGHTER.I HAVE A 2 YEAR OLD AND SHES VERY GOOD WITH HER GOLDFISH. I HAVE SMALL 8 GALLON WIDE TANK IN THE KITCHEN WHERE I KEEP HER GOLD FISHES AND SHE CLIMBS UP ON A CHAIR AND FEEDS THEM, TALKS TO THEM, AND LAUGHS AT THEM. SHE EVEN FEEDS THEM WHEN I TELL HER ITS TIME TO FEED THE FISHIES. SHE NEVER THROWS ANYTHING IN THE TANK OR TRYS TO REACH IN.
It IS how you raise your daughter. If you raised her to think goldfish were evil things that needed to be killed, what would she do? She'd listen to daddy, because again, kids don't *know* yet at that age. They are impressionable.

Some parents don't know better about fish or animals, and think it is fine to put a goldfish in a jar. This is why children also think it is fine.

That does not make them good NOR bad.
 
Horror story time.

Ok so I've seen fish srivelled up on the sidewalk where kids drop the bags, kids plunking the fish in chlorinated water, *shiver*

Also I've seen live rabbits given away as prizes. You'd see a kid in a stroller holding the baby bunny, and 3 hours later see him roll by still clutching the half-dehydrated animal.

I personally think that if a parent wants the kid to have a responsibility, they should buy a pet for the kid, with proper houseing and research. A pet is a commitment, not a prize!
 
bribones, i've skimmed this topic twice and i can't find where you're quoting from. i'm also not certain i understand what you mean by "those same 90 fish could be bought at a local fish store?"

i personally would like to see that "long-winded" post simply because an adequate arguement in favor of goldfish prizes has yet to be presented. (or at least presented without strong refutation...)

please, could you tell us your full opinion on the matter? and not just dismiss the thread...
 
well i think its worng just because the bowl is pretty dont mean its big enough
8gal for MORE htan one goldfish :crazy: havent you ead all tho posts so if u think its ok to stunt a goldfish and it will have a premeture death because it hasnt got enough space to grow then :dunno: mabe you shouldnt have thm
 
Not a snowballs chance in hell should they be :) Considering, that IMO, goldfish (the common ones they give away at fairs) are in the same league of size and messiness as an oscar, that when full grown, like an oscar they should have about 75g. When Joe Public wins a goldfish, I very, very much doubt that they'll provide enough space. If you did a survey, and asked say, 100 people what they thought was a minimum tank size for a common goldfish, what would they say? Yes, you'll get a few fishkeepers who know their stuff, but for the majority, they haven't got the foggiest. As far as their concerned, all you need for fishkeeping is a tank and water. You may say I'm being very general, but out of the 30 or so people in my class, only one actually knows how to look after a fish. And I'm sure its a very similar situation in every class.
 
Agreed, oohfeeshy. :nod:

It is still allowed where I live, and I firmly boycott it. I think the next time I see this, I am going to be as obnoxious as possible and loudly carry on until I get some reaction. Freedom of speech is a powerful thing.
 

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