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been looking at some scallops today, they are white shelled with bright orange centres.
benn trying to find some info on the net about them but all it seams to come up with it how to cook them :lol:
are they hard to keep? what they feed on?
 
Yes, very hard to keep. They're filter feeders and eat things like plankton, rotifers, and suspended organic matter. Feeding them phyto is relatively easy but the amount of phyto required becomes a nutrient nightmare.
 
Yes, very hard to keep. They're filter feeders and eat things like plankton, rotifers, and suspended organic matter. Feeding them phyto is relatively easy but the amount of phyto required becomes a nutrient nightmare.
suspended organic matter,such as???
what else do they eat aswell?
 
he gave you an example, phytoplankton, rotifers, zooplankton, they are filter feeders which are hard to keep.
 
Systems with GFO (or "mud"), refugia, deep sand beds, and no skimmer are good for filter feeders. Skimmers and sand beds are competitive with filter feeders, but if deep sand beds are stirred periodically, they can release enough food to keep even the most demanding filter feeders satiated.
 
but stirring the bottom layers of established deep sand beds is something you dont want to do
 
One doesn't let it get established for those purposes. My new 33 gallon, a Berlin + deep sand bed tank, will soon be populated with conchs, whelks, starfish, et cetera. The sand bed is for those creatures and not anaerobes. I'd be out of my mind (even moreso than usual) to let that bed mature in a Berlin system. Just as an example.
 
wait, how can it be berlin with a sand bed? I might be reading wrong but are you doing the hybrid method?
 
I think Lynden means it gets stirred up before it's really used to remove nitrates. So there's nothing that could get released because it's already getting stirred up... if that makes sense. And he uses live rock for the main filtration.
 
My new 33 gallon, a Berlin + deep sand bed
:)

Also I find it hard to believe that anoxic beds are very dangerous to the animals in the tank. I've read numerous "diaries" in which a re-scape was done after a number of months, the tank's sand bed was transferred, or it was otherwise disturbed. No cyanide, et cetera was released; in fact I recall reading somewhere that it was a myth that they are toxic.
 
there not if they are kept properly, neglection can lead to gas pockets, the stir from those gas pockets = bad tank. Other than that you may get a slight nitrate spike due to some anoxic bacteria dying in oxygenated water, but no, if you take care of it, keep top layers stirred, and dont let it turn into literally sandstone, then theres nothing wrong with it....

The problem is you may not know if there are bad gas pockets or not, im one of the people who like to stay on the safe side and therefor would never stir a deep sand bed. And ive heard plenty of failures with people who have mixed it up. You may do everything right with it but there could be one spot that hasnt been stired for a long time and has started to solidify, then gas pockets form.....
 
Substrate gas pocket thread - quote from bignose:
I've posted this a few times over the years, so here it is again:

The main concern people have about sand would be anaerobic bacteria build-up. Anaerobic meaning without air, though more accurately, without oxygen. If you didn't know, the ammonia and nitrite reducing bacteria require oxygen to work (to convert ammonia to nitrite and to convert nitrite to nitrate).

Anywho, under anaerobic conditions, bacteria start to get their energy from other sources, like reducing sulfur instead of oxygen. And a by-product of that is hydrogen sulfide, yes, one of the deadliest compounds in nature.

But, there is relief. In water, as soon as hydrogen sulfide comes into contact with any oxygen, it will become harmless. So, even if there is a pocket, and even if you accidentally stir it up, it will become harmless as soon as it hits your well-oxygenated water. And you know your water is well-oxygenated since your fish are living in it, and they need oxygen. This is the stinky smell you got, sulfurs, but you most likely smelled sulfur oxides, not hydrogen sulfide. Like I said, hydrogen sulfide decomposes very quickly in the presence of oxygen while in aqueous solution.

So, there really isn't anything down there to worry about, so my recommendation is to not stir it at all. Just vacuum the top of the sand to get the uneaten food off the top. If uneaten food on the top is a constant problem, you probably should be feeding less, maybe a lot less. If it really bothers you, maybe decrease the thickness of your sand layer.

p.s. Another source of energy anaerobic bacteria may use is actually to convert nitrates to nitrogen gas. This is what living rock and living sand does for some marine tank setups.


Here is another quote from another post of mine:

Diana Walstad in her book Ecology of the Planted Aquarium actually talks about the beneficial aspects of having anaerobic conditions under the substrate near the plant roots. She has around several inches of soil as the substrates in her tanks. The anaerobic bacteria will use most anything for an energy source, reducing nitrates is just one of them. The bacteria can also reduce iron, sulfur, manganese, and so on. The great thing for plants is that these reduced forms are much more easily taken up, so anaerobic conditions help the plants get their micronutrients.

I think this would still apply, even though it is for FW.
 
true, but there are other gases, like was said bacteria will use anything for food, so they start making other things besides just hydrogen sulfide, nitrogen gas etc.
 
he gave you an example, phytoplankton, rotifers, zooplankton, they are filter feeders which are hard to keep.
you are very contradictive to other views on the web site,does make it very difficult to know what to do!!
thanx for the help though :lol:
 

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