Sal's Salty Questions

Oh no :( Was really hoping to get a pair of clowns. Is there anything I can keep in that size tank? If not I'll just sell it on again :no:
 
Yeah, lots of little fish'll go great in there. Just not a pair of clowns.

L
 
Can you give me ideas please and numbers? Sorry for being a pain, but really don't know where to start with a little one. Had the big reef all planned out, but that won't happen.
 
Can you give me ideas please and numbers? Sorry for being a pain, but really don't know where to start with a little one. Had the big reef all planned out, but that won't happen.

The key to stocking with smaller tanks is knowing the habits of the fish that you want to keep, then, picking smallish fish with markedly different habits. For example...

green chromis
clownfish (depends on the species, most get too big)
bangaii cardinal

Technically, in theory, depending on the species, all would be fine in a 10g, if you just look at size alone, but the above is an unsuitable mix of fish for a 10g. Why? Because all three occupy roughly the same patch of water. They swim in the water column. Now...

Yellow watchman goby (YWG)
royal gramma
clownfish (depends on the species, most get too big)

This is another set of three fish. But if you look at the habits of all three fish, you have a very large contrast in habits and where they occupy the tank. The goby is a bottom dweller/burrower. The clownfish swims in open water and in the surface and then hosts something. The gramma is a mid-level cave dweller, weaving in about about the rockwork. See, very different habits. All three, similar aggression level too.

For smaller tanks, it's also preferable to obtain fish that really do prefer to be on their own. Like I have, in my 8g, a very large YWG paired with an equally large neon dottyback. A good combination. The goby is big enough to hold it's own and the dottyback is aggressive too. I doubt I'll add another fish to that system. Both are happy to be by themselves. My other 8g has a purple firefish and I'll be adding the black ocellaris that was in quarantine on Monday. Another good pairing. I may finish that tank off with a clown goby or a smaller, more peaceful goby/pistol pair.

Also, when stocking small tanks, avoid fish that have similar color patterns and/or shapes. For example, don't put a Royal gramma together with a bicolor dottyback. Yeah, we can tell them apart easy as pie, but a gramma is going to see another gramma in his eyes. And the dottyback, well, the dottyback will see another dottyback. Bad news for both.

For a 10g tank, I personally would stock it with 2-3 well-researched fish with markedly different coloration and habits and added over the course of some months and added in order of least aggressive to most aggressive. If you only find two, then that's it. The fish should exceed 2-4 inches in length, depending on body type. Goby & dottyback builds, which tend to be slender and long can be up to 4". The other types shouldn't be more than 2" or 3".

Does this help? There's a science to it really. You have to research the fish species carefully. And be warned many marine species jump, especially when kept in a smaller tank. A tight fitting lid is a good idea, always.

L
 
Thanks so much for this L! Really helpful. Will have another look into my marine fish books and see what I can find that goes with your criteria.

Can you just be honest with me - Is it going to be a pain in the butt keeping the parameters stable in such a small tank?
 
Can you just be honest with me - Is it going to be a pain in the butt keeping the parameters stable in such a small tank?


Without a shadow of doubt will be a headace if it your time 1st saltwater, so glad i did it 350L where there is room for a few mistakes(learning curve)
 
Thanks so much for this L! Really helpful. Will have another look into my marine fish books and see what I can find that goes with your criteria.

Can you just be honest with me - Is it going to be a pain in the butt keeping the parameters stable in such a small tank?

I didn't find it difficult, but I'm used to high maintenance (ie.. high tech planted tanks) systems, so keeping params stable have been part of what I do for many years. SW is just a different type of water for me, that's all.

Now a first timer in the hobby may get annoyed with it and that's the thing with picos and small end nanos. You run a tight ship with these guys. Stray a little, get a little bored, and it's done. More picos and small nanos crash when the owner gets tired of doing the maintenance or when they just get bored with the tank. I see them torn down all the time. It's very rare to find a pico that's more than 2 years old.

If can see yourself doing this over the long haul, then go for it. If you don't then save up for a bigger system or stick with freshwater. Picos and smaller nanos should be done because you love the challenge of the smaller system, not because you want to cut costs or save space. Usually in those cases, as soon as you get the room or the money, the pico is torn down.
 
Guys and gals! I got good news! Got a tank and it's perfect! Not too big and not too small. It's the Fluval Roma 125 (so 125 litres / 33 gallons). And the best is - it only cost me £20!!! Found this bargain at a local forum, the chap delivered it last night and it is super. No scratches, no cracks, perfect condition. He just had to sell as he is moving house hence the low price and I grabbed a bargain. So, only two more months until I start my new job and then it's go ahead with marine. :hyper: :hyper: :hyper:
 
This is wonderful news, Salam. I'm happy for you. It's a nice size. Not quite a nano, not quite a mini-reef. Right in the cusp there.

L
 
Thanks, L :) Yes, nice size indeed. The man isn't too scared anymore as it will be manageable, but it is a good enough size to build a little piece of ocean paradise!
 
Let the build begin :)
Nice find on the tank
 
Thanks. I can start re-planning now, got some good thoughts from previous attempt, but now I know what I have and I can work with that.
 
Someone on my local FB group is selling an RO kit (50 gallons a day) for £20. Any good? Would it be a good investment so I don't have to toddle to the LFS all the time?
 
TBH unless the membrane and pre filters have been replaced recently your not going to save much money as those are the parts that are going to cost you, best thing is to make enquiries on if the membrane particularly has recently been replaced and if not look at the cost of a new one, incidentally if you replace it you can normally go up the scale to say a 75gpd as long as you replace the waste valve to suite the membrane GPD

If I'm honest I started out using RO from LFS and while it was ok at the time the more I look back the more I realise it was a royal PITA and now I have my own it's sooooooo much easier! The only other thing you would need is some sort of TDS meter to be able to be sure the waters pure enough to use you can normally pick one up for about £20 but it's well worth investing in an RO setup!
 
Oh dear, doesn't sound good. How often do filters and membrane have to be replaced? Just had a look around and a new one would be around the £100 mark, so maybe wait and get a brand new one instead? Looked like a bargain, but maybe it isn't really.
 

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