Really Struggling

I usually test in the afternoon/evening time.

I used Aqueon Water Conditioner about a day before adding the safestart. I haven't used anything else since. I do still have Prime, but I haven't added any since restarting this tank.

The dipstick read the pH as 6.5
 
I usually test in the afternoon/evening time.

I used Aqueon Water Conditioner about a day before adding the safestart. I haven't used anything else since. I do still have Prime, but I haven't added any since restarting this tank.

The dipstick read the pH as 6.5

What pH test are you now using?

Assuming you followed the SafeStart directions, I would not worry about the ammonia yet, but test daily. Make sure you read the test results with daylight but not direct sunlight to ensure the colour is correctly matched. All artificial light will distort colours to some extent and this can confuse many over the results.
 
Hi again!

Today's readings were:
pH 7.4
Ammonia 0.5
Nitrites 0
Nitrates 0


I don't think this necessitates a water change. I can see the water dropping, though, so I am planning to top up. Should I use my just regular dechlorinator (aqueon) or use the Seachem Prime. I don't want to kill any bacteria that may (or may not?!) be trying to take hold.
 
You can use Prime now. It won’t hurt any establishing bacteria at this point.
 
Today we're at

pH 7.6
Ammonia 0.5
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 0

Also, when collecting my water for samples, it looks like there is a little bit of an oily film on top.

My interpretation of the numbers is that the tank isn't cycling at all yet. Is there something I should be doing differently?
And I'm not sure what to make of the filminess.
 
Hi Kimmie

It can take a while for results to show during cycling. Stick with it and don’t get disheartened.

With regards to the film, I had this with my first tank and it was due to overfeeding and having no surface agitation.

You can remove it with paper towels, place them gently on the surface and they will absorb it.

Can you position your filter outlet so it creates disturbance on the surface of the tank? This will help stop things settling on top and also help with gas exchange. The agitation on the surface will help oxygenate your water so the fish can breath better.
 
You’re doing a fish in cycle, correct? How much are you feeding? It sounds like you don’t have enough ammonia source. Try increasing your feedings to daily and see if that helps. If still nothing, try twice a day feedings but don’t go overboard.
 
I tipped the filter a little and it has caused more turbulence at the surface - the oily film is almost completely gone this morning.

And Deanasue, yes, we are trying a fish in cycle. We have 6 cherry spot raspboras. They're teeny. We feed them once a day, alternating between a pellet food an a flake food. I can certainly try feeding a little bit at a second meal.
 
That should help. If they are real small you probably just don’t have enough ammonia building yet. Keep us posted.
 
Today we're at

pH 7.6
Ammonia 0.5
Nitrite 0
Nitrate 0

Also, when collecting my water for samples, it looks like there is a little bit of an oily film on top.

My interpretation of the numbers is that the tank isn't cycling at all yet. Is there something I should be doing differently?
And I'm not sure what to make of the filminess.

There is nothing wrong. This tank is probably cycled already. You do NOT want to be increasing ammonia or you could harm if not kill the fish.

When you use SafeStart with fish, you should not see ammonia or nitrite. The ammonia at 0.5 I would not worry about, but you certainly do not want to see it higher, and you especially do not want to see nitrite at all. Everything is fine, from what you've posted previously and here.

You pH seems to be fluctuating though, given at 6.5 and now 7.6?

As to the surface film, that is a protein film that forms in some tanks but not others. It is most common with plants. Nothing to worry about. I have had it in the past in one of my tanks but not the others, due to organics and plants. When you do the water change (weekly), you can invert the large end holding it under the surface with the opening just at the surface. With a bit of practice you will be able to "skim" off the surface of the water. And surface agitation will help, but don't overdo it.
 
I’m afraid I have to disagree. Safe Start is merely a bottled bacteria and the tank still needs to cycle. I have used Safe Start+ a number of times along with ammonia in fishless cycles. I encourage you to contact Tetra and ask them directly. I realize conflicting information can be quite confusing. I’m sorry.
 
I’m afraid I have to disagree. Safe Start is merely a bottled bacteria and the tank still needs to cycle. I have used Safe Start+ a number of times along with ammonia in fishless cycles. I encourage you to contact Tetra and ask them directly. I realize conflicting information can be quite confusing. I’m sorry.

You again do not understand this. Using SafeStart with fish in the tank establishes the cycle without harming the fish, and unless there are too many fish for the system to handle you will NOT see ammonia or nitrite in normal aquarium tests. But the AOB and NOB bacteria are still establishing and working "behind the scenes." That is why one uses SafeStart. This product was developed by Dr. Tim Hovanec who said it works like this. Please.
 
kimmiecat- The average time for the tank to cycle with Safe Start is 14 days. It can be a little longer. You should keep your ammonia at 2 ppm or less. Here is a good answer from the Tetra Site on how to gauge your process.

SafeStart Plus should be used to prevent toxic levels of ammonia and nitrite when cycling a tank with fish. Levels that are toxic to fish are also toxic to the bacteria so adding the bacteria in when the levels are already high means the ammonia will kill off the bacteria. You want the level to be no more than 2.0 to prevent a major die off of the bacteria. Some bacteria will survive at 6 ppm but not enough to quickly reduce the levels. I personally am not a proponent of fishless cycling. If fish are added at a proper rate, along with the SafeStart Plus, they won't experience any spikes in ammonia or nitrite.

At this point, I would say either wait it out or do a partial water change to bring the levels down, and re-dose with TSS Plus. Keep in mind, you have to add fish at some point and the bacteria will starve off quickly once levels reach 0.

Kimmiecat - Perhaps it would be better to add a couple more fish.
 
kimmiecat- Here’s another excellent post on doing it correctly with Safe Start. This one comes from Fishlore.
How to cycle your aquarium using Tetra Safe Start

What you will need:

  • A bottle of Tetra Safe Start (TSS) appropriate to the size of your tank
  • Seachem Prime or other dechlorinator.
  • API Master Liquid Test Kit
  • 1 gallon jug of water treated with 2 drops of Prime and allowed to sit for 24 hours.
  • Fish – These should be ones you want to keep, not ones to just cycle the tank. You should have enough fish to sustain the bacteria from TSS. This will depend on tank size and the type of fish you are getting. Example: 20 gallon tank is good for 1 group of 6 to 8 Long Fin Zebra or Leopard Danio, which is a perfect group to start out with.

What you will not need:

  • Bottled ammonia – This will kill the good bacteria in TSS. TSS is meant to be used with fish.
  • Ammonia Binder – Adding AmoLoc or other similar product to the tank during the cycling process will remove the ammonia needed to sustain the nitrifying bacteria.
  • Chemicals to raise the pH - Unless you are starting a cichlid tank, or have pH below 7 from the tap, do not add anything to alter the pH. If you need to alter your pH for any special reason and you would like some advice before you begin the cycle, start a new thread and we'll help you with it.

Getting Ready - : Fill tank with water and add filter, heater, thermometer, substrate and ornaments. Dose with Prime to remove chlorine or chloramines. Watch tank for any leaks and ensure filter is working properly.

Note: if you are using sand for a substrate, extra time may be needed for the water to clear up.

Wait 24 hours for Prime to dissipate from the water column. Dechlorinators will kill the good bacteria in TSS.

Test The Water: Using your API Liquid Kit, run tests for ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, and pH. pH should be no less than 7 ppm (anything under 7 ppm can hinder the cycling process). Ammonia, nitrite,and nitrate should all read 0 ppm. If not then you will need to run tests on water directly from the tap. If you have any readings at all please post a new thread so we can advise you on where to go from there.

If all tests are good then proceed to shake the bottle of TSS and add it to the tank. Always add the entire contents of the bottle. You cannot overdose.

Wait 1 hour and then slowly acclimate your fish. (Skip this if fish are already in the tank.)

Day 1 through 14: No water changes. Doing so will stop the cycling process. If there's any water evaporation then use some water from the 1 gallon jug of pretreated water to do a top-off.

It is very important during the 14 day cycle that you feed your fish normally. If you underfeed you risk lengthening the cycle. If you overfeed you risk the bacteria not being able to keep up with all of the ammonia, which will stop or stall the cycle. High amounts of ammonia can hinder the nitrifying bacteria.

TSS is designed to facilitate a safe and effective cycle while fish are in the tank. The water chemistry is going to be all over the place during the first week or so and will settle down during the second week. There's no point in running any tests during the 14 day cycle unless you notice visual signs of distress or illness in your fish, which should not happen.

Day 15: Do a regular water change being careful not to disturb the substrate. Allow another week or more for the nitrifying bacteria to settle and stabilize in and on the bio-media of your filter before you begin regular gravel cleanings.

kimmiecat- this is spot on. Hope it helps and cuts the confusion down. Good luck. Let me know if I can help any further.
 
I wold rely more on the manufacturer here. Their instructions:

Shake Well.
To start new aquariums, add entire bottle to aquariums up to 100 gallons. Aquarium is then ready for fish. Consult your retailer for advice on type and number of fish appropriate for your aquarium.
For healthy maintenance, add one teaspoon (5ml) for every 10 gallons when adding fish, after water changes or after replacing filter media.
Tank Preparation: Condition tap water with Tetra AquaSafe®. Maintain a constant, appropriate water temperature in your aquarium.
Note: Live Bacteria, do not freeze or expose to heat.

INGREDIENTS: Purified water, Proprietary strains of: Nitrosomonas, Nitrosospira and Nitrospira.

The tank is cycled with one dose, period. You will not see ammonia or nitrite using tests. Thanks.
 

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