Real Puzzler

If you bought a juwel tank the filter wouldn't be up to the job, you would have to add another filter.
Only thing good about juwel tanks as I have them are that the tank is self well made, but the equipment not very good..
 
I keep 1 fancy gold fish in a 20gal tank (80cm x 30 x 30) and I have a Fluval 204 external filter and a fluval 3+ as "backup" (I leave it running incase something happens to the external). The 204 is rated to filter tanks up to 200 litres, and as mine is only 65 - 70 litres its plenty of filtering for my little chap :)

From experience, the Fluval 3+ would probably do you nicely on top of the juwel filter. You can pick them up cheap on ebay for about £10 - £15 (approx £20 new on ebay). You can also pick up a fluval 204 for about £30 on ebay :)

Its definately worth looking for tanks on ebay too. I picked up mine for £20 including some bits and bobs. Bargains are out there, just check if the seller has had any dissease outbreaks or used any nasty medications, and make sure you clean it well :)
 
With the filter cleaning thing, just clean out the sponges when they become quite full of muck and effect the flow of the filter- for some people this is once a week, for others it can be over 3 weeks- a lot depends on the tanks stocking.

When you clean your filter sponges out, just clean them roughly out in some old tank water- never clean them so they are sparkling clean (as the beneficial bacteria needs a little muck to live off, over-cleaning the sponges can cause the tank to mini-cycle, so you just need to clean the sponges enough so the filter runs smoothly with a strong current) and never clean them out in tap water (as the chlorine in the tap water will kill off the beneficial bacteria in the sponges). Old tank water is the best for cleaning filter sponges out in as it is least likely to upset the beneficial bacteria in the sponges, so just save a bucket or two of it when you are doing your water change to clean the filter sponges out in :thumbs: .

The black sponge in the juwel filter range is the carbon sponge- this removes chemicals like fish medicines from the water. This is good when you've just finished a course of medication/treatment for your fish and you want to remove the meds from the water, but other than that the sponge is pretty useless for much else. When using any meds on fish, you should always take the carbon sponge out of the filter as you don't want it to absorb all the meds you put into the tank and stop them from working.
Carbon sponges stop working after a couple of months (i would say they are active for about 6months maximum, but there are a lot of factors involved when it comes to how long they'll work for, more than often they last a lot less) and if they are used after their ability to absorb chemicals has stopped, they will leak out all the chemicals they have absorbed back into the tank which can be very bad for the fish as if you've used a lot of meds and can end up with the result of overdosing the fish with old chemicals.
So the best way to use a carbon sponge is to only have it in the filter when you actually need to use it as that way it'll last longer if its not in constant use and be safer and more effective too when in use.

With the thin fine white sponge, this is just there to help clean up any very fine waste in the tank and help keep the water clearer/cleaner looking in general. I have one in my main goldfish tank filter, but i don't use it all the time as it gets clogged up very quickly with all the poop being produced by the goldfish in the tank- sometimes its just better to have a much courser sponge more suited to dealing with lots of big fish poops and muck in general when keeping high waste producing fish like goldfish or pleco's.
These fine white thin sponges though don't last very long though in comparison to other sponges- i find that mine will last up to 6-9 washes before getting too knackered out, however they do last a lot longer if you wash them gently than what a lot of people realise.


The finer the sponge the more surface area it has and thus the better it is for your beneficial bacterial filtration in the filter as the bacteria lives on surface and thus the more surface area the sponge has, the more beneficial bacteria it can grow on it.
However the finer the sponge the less able it is to deal with lots of waste and fine sponges tend to get clogged up too quickly by waste to be of much good. The bacteria thrives best off the finest and oldest waste in the sponge which is like a sludge, waste which is course and which you can still make out what it consists of (like old dying plant matter) is not that great for the bacteria to live off as it needs to decompose more to be of much good as food to the bacteria.

So to get the most out of your filter, its best to have at least two types of sponges in it- one which is course/has large holes and is good for the mechanical filtration of the tank, and one which is fine/has many small holes which is good for the biological filtration of the tank :good: .
 
Thanks for the advice all, it's greatly appreciated. I'll put the tips into practice.

I've just returned home to find the fish that seemed to have the most respiratory problems (the blackmoore), hanging at the surface but also appears to be excreting completely pink excrement. Is this a symptom of any particular illness or is it completely normal, as I've never seen it before?

Thanks all
 
Thanks for the advice all, it's greatly appreciated. I'll put the tips into practice.

I've just returned home to find the fish that seemed to have the most respiratory problems (the blackmoore), hanging at the surface but also appears to be excreting completely pink excrement. Is this a symptom of any particular illness or is it completely normal, as I've never seen it before?

Thanks all

Have you feed any fish foods to the fish with red or pink pigment in them at all recently? I would advise doing a 30% water change imediately, what are the nitrite and ammonia levels like currently? Do the fishes gills look inflamed or sore looking at all?
 
Have you feed any fish foods to the fish with red or pink pigment in them at all recently? I would advise doing a 30% water change immediately, what are the nitrite and ammonia levels like currently? Do the fishes gills look inflamed or sore looking at all?
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Tokis, I apologize for the late reply. I had already gone to work when you had posted and have only just got home. I did the 30% water change on seeing the condition of the fish earlier this afternoon. The fish had eaten 1 red flake and 3 dried bloodworm, could this have caused such an effect?
When I returned home from work the fish was happily sleeping in it's hiding place on the bottom, and only returned to the surface when I turned the light on for a look at him. I guess he thought he might get food.

Could a lack of food cause such strange excrement?

On arrival home I carried out the tests you asked for, I got the following results: Nitrite: 2.0ppm (the same as always :(), Ammonia: 0.25ppm. I'm taking a trip to a big fish shop (Maidenhead Aquatics) in Ramsgate tomorrow, if you do recognize a problem, is there anything I could get whilst there to help?

Thankyou very much for your help Tokis, it is greatly appreciated. :good:
 
Glad to help :good:
Until you get a bigger tank for them, i would strongly advise you get another filter for the tank (as strong as you can get) as this will help lower the nitrites and ammonia a lot- also doing small daily water changes a lot will help.
The fish flakes and bloodworms is probably what changed the colour of your goldfishes poop, it happens a lot with my goldfish red flakes too- its nothing to worry about :) .
 
Yep. Goldfish don't really have a "normal" stomach where food would sit very long to be processed so it's pretty much, what goes in is what comes out, color wise. If you feed them green pea "meat" (pinch the green peat and trash the skin), they will poop green. :D
 
Glad to help :good:
Until you get a bigger tank for them, i would strongly advise you get another filter for the tank (as strong as you can get) as this will help lower the nitrites and ammonia a lot- also doing small daily water changes a lot will help.
The fish flakes and bloodworms is probably what changed the colour of your goldfishes poop, it happens a lot with my goldfish red flakes too- its nothing to worry about :) .

Thanks again for the reply Tokis. When you say small daily water changes, how much should I be taking out?

I've found a very helpful shop called 'Ark Aquatics' in Canterbury, Kent - anyone had experience with them? They've adviced the Juwel Rio 180 (180L) running both the Juwel filter and a Fluval external filter together. What do people think about that idea? All in all it would come to 220 pounds.

Is there anywhere that's known to be reliable on the net, perhaps that some people use and have good prices?

I've also been told that it'd be better if my fish were fed japanese food, as this is where they're from? and that apparently fantails thrive better in warmer waters.

My whole fishy philosophy has been turned upside down!

Thankyou very much all that are helping me along :good: 'twill not be forgotten.
 
Is that tank long in shape as goldifsh tanks have to be long in length.
 

Great, thankyou for checking Wilder :good:

The only problem I've got now is that if I'm right, big if, 1 litre of water converts to one kilo of weight, so it'll weigh 180 Kilos, which is probably going to be too much for the floorboards in my room to handle. So may have to have the tank downstairs somewhere. I guess a lot of people experience that problem though. Don't mind where I have them so long as I get to see them grow big n happy!

Next issue will be decoration and what to put in it!
 
Ask tokis she very intelligient if the tank will be fine in your bedroom.
Good luck.
 
Glad to help :good:
Until you get a bigger tank for them, i would strongly advise you get another filter for the tank (as strong as you can get) as this will help lower the nitrites and ammonia a lot- also doing small daily water changes a lot will help.
The fish flakes and bloodworms is probably what changed the colour of your goldfishes poop, it happens a lot with my goldfish red flakes too- its nothing to worry about :) .

Thanks again for the reply Tokis. When you say small daily water changes, how much should I be taking out?

I've found a very helpful shop called 'Ark Aquatics' in Canterbury, Kent - anyone had experience with them? They've adviced the Juwel Rio 180 (180L) running both the Juwel filter and a Fluval external filter together. What do people think about that idea? All in all it would come to 220 pounds.

Is there anywhere that's known to be reliable on the net, perhaps that some people use and have good prices?

I've also been told that it'd be better if my fish were fed japanese food, as this is where they're from? and that apparently fantails thrive better in warmer waters.

My whole fishy philosophy has been turned upside down!

Thankyou very much all that are helping me along :good: 'twill not be forgotten.



Glad to help :good:


The Juwel rio tanks are very well made, it will be good if you can have two filters running in there too :good: .
180 litres = 47.55 US gallons which will be a great size tank for your goldfish too (people generally use US gallons when it comes to stocking fish rather than UK ones) :good: .

With the japanese food thing, Hikari is a good brand of fish food in general. Koi are Japanese and goldfish are Chinese, but a lot of the fancy varieties/breeds of goldfish you see today were actually developed in Japan (i think Ryukins are a japanese breed of goldfish for example).
I use some hikari fish foods (like Hikari Staple for my goldfish) but mostly for my tropical fish, i mostly use the TetraFin brand of goldfish foods for my goldfish- TetraFin Gold Japan is fantastic for all goldfish (but particularly fancy ones) as the sinking pelets encourage the goldfish to perform natural behavior like looking in the substrate for food, while TetraFin Gold Exotic and Granules make good everyday food for goldfish and are also better for goldfishes digestive systems than flake foods :good: .

When it comes to choosing a substrate for the tank, i would advise having sand as it does not trap waste in it like gravel does- any waste the goldfish produce will simply float on top of the sand and get blown into the filter. Goldfish also like to sift around in the substrate looking for food, they seem to prefer doing this in sand than gravel (gravel can also be kinda risky sometimes as goldfish can sometimes accidentally swallow gravel and choke).

Ask tokis she very intelligient if the tank will be fine in your bedroom.
Good luck.

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