Question About Filters And Bacteria

Phosphates are far from a "nasty" in an aquarium. First, routine water changes will manage them. Second, plants require them. Third, long before any issue with the fish can be established, there will be algal blooms.


I agree that carbon shouldn't be left in the filter full-time, nor should it be left after doing a treatment to remove meds from the tank, but my thinking is because it is pointless to have it there more than because the carbon itself will cause a problem.
 
I agree that carbon shouldn't be left in the filter full-time, nor should it be left after doing a treatment to remove meds from the tank, but my thinking is because it is pointless to have it there more than because the carbon itself will cause a problem.

Are you saying that carbon shouldn't be used to remove meds from the tank, or just that it shouldn't be left in the tank after removing the meds, say after 24 hours or so?
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Interesting read for more info on Activated Carbon if anyone cares to read more about it.

I agree that carbon shouldn't be left in the filter full-time, nor should it be left after doing a treatment to remove meds from the tank, but my thinking is because it is pointless to have it there more than because the carbon itself will cause a problem.

Are you saying that carbon shouldn't be used to remove meds from the tank, or just that it shouldn't be left in the tank after removing the meds, say after 24 hours or so?
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Hes probably read a thread about carbon causing HITH if hes concerned about what carbon "might" cause. (random guess because there isnt much else to worry about, correct me if im wrong though) There are quite a few big discussions out there which i read a few years ago myself.

I tend to not bother with carbon, but i do keep some in case i want to "de-med" my tank any time in the future. It is supposed to aid bio filtration, but its not used as a primary source for bio bacteria, purely because it takes up valuable space which could be used for bio sponges/ceramics which bacteria are supposed to establish themselves on more easily. Plus those people with small filters cant afford to sacrifice much space for it. Come the day when you need to use some new carbon for med removal, you may end up removing half your bio bacteria when replacing the old carbon with the new.

My link above it quite useful for info on carbon if you want to read some more into it :)
 
I agree that carbon shouldn't be left in the filter full-time, nor should it be left after doing a treatment to remove meds from the tank, but my thinking is because it is pointless to have it there more than because the carbon itself will cause a problem.

Are you saying that carbon shouldn't be used to remove meds from the tank, or just that it shouldn't be left in the tank after removing the meds, say after 24 hours or so?
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No, I'm saying it shouldn't be left AFTER removing meds from the tank. It should certainly be used after a meds treatment (after a large water change of course, because that is the easiest and fastest way to remove meds), but it shouldn't be left in place for the long term after doing that.
 
Excellent. Now if we could have such comprehensive articles on sand vs. gravel!
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My filter looks like this, the only maintenance I do to it is when there's too much plant and spinach waste I pick it out and during water changes I clean the black plastic plate that goes over all these layers. The only thing I replace is the white mat in the middle and not regularly just if I feel there is a need to (examples are after medicating, if it would start smelling really bad so a lot of time could go by without me doing anything). I have done this once and the tank had absolutely no response to this, the water tests have all been the same. The only difference is that I got a better filter mat :D
 
Interesting read for more info on Activated Carbon if anyone cares to read more about it.

I agree that carbon shouldn't be left in the filter full-time, nor should it be left after doing a treatment to remove meds from the tank, but my thinking is because it is pointless to have it there more than because the carbon itself will cause a problem.

Are you saying that carbon shouldn't be used to remove meds from the tank, or just that it shouldn't be left in the tank after removing the meds, say after 24 hours or so?
huh.gif

Hes probably read a thread about carbon causing HITH if hes concerned about what carbon "might" cause. (random guess because there isnt much else to worry about, correct me if im wrong though) There are quite a few big discussions out there which i read a few years ago myself.

I tend to not bother with carbon, but i do keep some in case i want to "de-med" my tank any time in the future. It is supposed to aid bio filtration, but its not used as a primary source for bio bacteria, purely because it takes up valuable space which could be used for bio sponges/ceramics which bacteria are supposed to establish themselves on more easily. Plus those people with small filters cant afford to sacrifice much space for it.

My link above it quite useful for info on carbon if you want to read some more into it :)


I'm not saying that the carbon is a bad thing, just an unnecessary one the vast majority of the time. It is best used to "de-med" as you said. Beyond that, there is no need for carbon. Other things can do everything else that carbon is supposed to do. Carbon isn't a bad thing, but it is expensive to buy and if you replaced it every time it was "used up" you would be replacing it constantly and that can run into serious money.


The biggest thing that many folks falsely believe about carbon is that it can "de-adsorb". (Please note that there is a big difference between aBsorbtion and aDsorbtion.) Carbon will not "de-adsorb" the things that it has adsorbed back into the tank. Phosphates can be leached back by some carbon, but phosphates are not bad things in their own right in a freshwater tank (which is where this thread is, so I assume this discussion is purely regarding freshwater aquaria). And can easily be controlled by proper maintenance water changes. Again, contrary to belief by some, phosphates do NOT cause algae. However, excess phosphates can accelerate algal growth, but the cause is from other sources, primarily ammonia, CO2 and light.


The only reason that I suggest that you remove carbon after removing meds after 24 hours is that it really serves no purpose that can't be handled by other means. As Tizer stated (and I am not disagreeing with the vast majority of your previous posts Tizer, just the comment about it leaching "nasties" back into the tank), the space devoted to carbon can be more efficiently used by other media. I will mention though, that currently I have a carbon cartridge in my tank, because I haven't bought the replacement media that does not contain carbon. Marineland sent me a free box of replacement cartridges for my filters as part of a return/exchange with them. I've left the carbon in place now for over two months, and I feel no need to make any changes to my filtration set-up because I don't need to use any extra media (I've already got two filters, one with carbon, one without, plus some ceramics and an old sponge that I used to cycle my set-up). The carbon is part of the filter cartridge and would be far too much trouble to remove than it is worth. However, once I purchase the non-carbon replacements (in about 6 months or so), I will keep the carbon cartridges around as needed for med removal. There is no danger though that the carbon is leaching anything back to the tank.
 
In regards to the original question... You can buy some polyester quilt batting (its very cheap). Make sure you get the kind that is in sheets for quilts, not baled for stuffed animals. Then just cut a rectangle that will wrap around the frame of your HOB filter media. I usually dump the charcoal out of my filters, since its not really necessary and I find that when rinsing it tends to wear out the floss faster. When the floss starts to fall apart, I just wrap a new layer of batting on the outside. The next time I take the oldest layer out and just leave enough to keep bacteria going.
 
Over here charcoal is sold a lot in filter media since it's very good at removing smells. I put it in my fridge but not in my filter, I don't think a healthy tank tends to smell.
 
Over here charcoal is sold a lot in filter media since it's very good at removing smells. I put it in my fridge but not in my filter, I don't think a healthy tank tends to smell.
 
I think the way a tank should smell is something like a greenhouse. Very earthy.
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does this mean i should take my carbon out, even if i put a new one in every 4 weeks?
 

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