Totally agree. I am homeschooled on fridays…I’m an oddball anyway. I get bullied in my small class for being ‘weird’ (aka liking animals, and not fitting in with people). Thankfully, they couldn’t ban forums unless they want to ban social media!
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Proposed USA regulations ending fish keeping
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Not to disagree with your sentiment, but big cats generally sleep their life away regardless of being in captivity/native habitat. They're apex predators that conserve energy by lounging most of their life. Not sure about species of bear or region you live, but bears up north would just be transitioning out of hibernation around this time and likely inactive unless truly finished the process.
Chimps in captivity is an incredibly difficult one though, such intelligent animals needing so much enrichment and deserving of freedom.
That is true... I was heavily bullied as well, which is part of the reason I'm home schooled now. I just didn't think I could handle middle school... I am now a bit more confident in myself but I still get really depressed. Heck, in school I even felt like I was bullied by the teachers... All except for one... I was definitely called out more by the teacher than anyone else and I was definitely NOT the worst student.
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Forums should be fine unless we're blatantly slanging prohibited species for the blackmarket pet trade.
Now that you and someone else has said this, I feel like its common sense
One of the reasons I like animals is for stress and anxiety relief. Just no need to worry ahout the forum closing. Let’s hope the act doesn’t pass. We do have months to get whatever fish we need before.
I was looking at PETA ads and they are ALL very disturbing! I would never ever want to support them after seeing those ads. A lot of their ads were even banned from TV
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That would be common sense, which is my point.
They could very well ban or criminalize the discussion of keeping 'illegal' fish. If Corys are deemed illegal, then the discussion of how to care for them or breed them will be a crime.
Eventually there will be a need for Samizdat
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True. I wanted an aquarium because I honest wanted something other than a device to look at or do. An aquarium keeps me busy and not fall into a dark place.
bruh cories are too small, and too slimy, i def will not eat them
Actually, without captive/ domesticated animals/ fish, there is a good chance every species in the oceans will become extinct in the very near future. This also applies to freshwater rivers, creeks and streams, where fishes and other aquatic organisms are going to become extinct in the wild due to human interference and climate change. Then the only creatures left will be those we keep and breed in aquariums or ponds.
Many smaller species of marine fish are being bred in captivity, as are corals, albeit corals in aquariums are usually propagated by fragments (aka frags), not through the release of gametes by individual coral polyps. And many corals are threatened with extinction due to climate change and warming oceans.
Marine shrimp are relatively easy to breed but hard to metamorphis, however if people put some effort and research into it, this should be easy to overcome.
Before banning marine fishes completely, think about how long freshwater fishes have been kept. They have been kept in glass aquariums and bowls for over 100 years, and people are just now starting to provide more natural settings for these types of fish. Some have been kept for much longer in ponds (goldfish). Saltwater fishes and corals have only been kept during the last 60 years and even then, they didn't get kept by many people until the late 1980s. Marine fish keeping has evolved a huge amount in the last 30 years and in some ways, coral tanks are actually well ahead of most freshwater tanks in terms of natural environments and stabile water conditions.
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If aquarium fishes are banned, there will be a major impact on most country's economy because 1 in 4 households in most modern cities, has an aquarium or pond. Get rid of fish keeping and you get rid of billions of dollars going into the economy and that is going to cause more than a few ripples in the government coffers.
I am all for regulating the fish industry. They could start with a blanket ban on deformed fishes like the balloon fishes. They could ban the keeping of fishes that grow bigger than 12 inches. The only exceptions being for public aquaria and zoos, who presumably would have suitable sized facilities to house monster fishes. Or if people have a suitable sized pond or aquarium for these fishes, but they would have to provide proof to a government department that would come and view the pond/ tank and confirm it is suitable.
We can have fish and care for them. And fish keepers worldwide will be the last saviour of fishes when they become extinct in the wild. It has happened with birds. The Gouldian finch was about to become extinct in the wild but was saved by captive breeding programs. The same thing will have to be done with fishes and all other animals, birds, reptiles and insects on this planet. Otherwise there will be nothing left.
Regulating something like the aquarium industry needs to be done on multiple levels and include things like banning the sale of deformed organisms, protecting natural environments so individual species can survive in their natural habitat, and encouraging good ethical care of our pets. Unless all of these are done, banning one section is not going to do a damn thing except annoy a whole lot of people, and then we can all sit back and watch everything in the rivers disappear from history because of stupid policies.
Nobody can self regulate. Banks can't do it, Police can't, government can't. To self regulate you need people to be 100% honest in every aspect and that does not happen when it comes to humans. Very few people would have the will power or integrity to be able to self regulate honestly for more than a few weeks, let alone decades or a life time.
Just don't tell anyone you have fish. What the government doesn't know, won't hurt them.
Bye my dear beloved fish that I SPENT SO MUCH FRIGGIN MONEY ON
If they ban fish, I will set up a website and locals can pm me and come over for a visit. If they happen to see something they like, I will sell it to them.
Some laws are good, some are stupid. This seems to be in the latter category. PM me a list of what you want, and meet me in the back alley after dark. Bring cash and if you bring the cops, I will let my pet tiger eat them.
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The import and sale of naturally bred species should continue to go ahead....however....
That same import and sale should be far tighter on regulation in regard to the husbandry in both the breeders facility and the vendor facility. Transportation of any imported fish whether internationally or domestically should be much better regulated and licensed.
Vendor's should be subject to 6 monthly checks to keep their licence to sell. These checks should entail making sure that holding aquariums both behind the scenes and front of shop are kept properly maintained. All fish should be rested for a minimum of 3 weeks after arrival off the shop floor, this would allow any health issues to emerge and either treated by vet or culled as required....no more vendor treating as the average vendor or shop assistant is not qualified. Any vendor who fails checks should have a three strikes system. First mistake, educate them. Second mistake, educate & fine them. Third mistake would be removal of licence to sell livestock of all kinds for a minimum of 5 years.
Breeders, both at home or abroad, private backyard or farm. Full licensing required, quarterly checks on facilities. Bloodline records to be kept and checked, health & welfare checks without notice by vets. Same three strikes rule as per vendor with a minimum 10 year ban on commercial breeding and confiscation of all equipment/fish.
A complete ban on breeding, import, export and sale of all genetically modified, injected or otherwise unnatural fish. Anyone caught doing so would face a minimum 6 months incarceration, heavy fine and confiscation of all equipment and fish. Life ban owning fish.
That same import and sale should be far tighter on regulation in regard to the husbandry in both the breeders facility and the vendor facility. Transportation of any imported fish whether internationally or domestically should be much better regulated and licensed.
Vendor's should be subject to 6 monthly checks to keep their licence to sell. These checks should entail making sure that holding aquariums both behind the scenes and front of shop are kept properly maintained. All fish should be rested for a minimum of 3 weeks after arrival off the shop floor, this would allow any health issues to emerge and either treated by vet or culled as required....no more vendor treating as the average vendor or shop assistant is not qualified. Any vendor who fails checks should have a three strikes system. First mistake, educate them. Second mistake, educate & fine them. Third mistake would be removal of licence to sell livestock of all kinds for a minimum of 5 years.
Breeders, both at home or abroad, private backyard or farm. Full licensing required, quarterly checks on facilities. Bloodline records to be kept and checked, health & welfare checks without notice by vets. Same three strikes rule as per vendor with a minimum 10 year ban on commercial breeding and confiscation of all equipment/fish.
A complete ban on breeding, import, export and sale of all genetically modified, injected or otherwise unnatural fish. Anyone caught doing so would face a minimum 6 months incarceration, heavy fine and confiscation of all equipment and fish. Life ban owning fish.
Does that include the kid who has a 2ft tank in their bedroom with a few guppies that push out babies every month?
Why a 10 yr ban and confiscation of equipment for backyard breeders when the vendors only get a 5yr ban and keep their equipment?
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